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[DulwichFox]

My mum lived in Downham, just past Catford. That come under Kent.. and yet on The A2 its not

Kent proper until you get to a mile past what once was the Black Prince.

Foxy

[Otta]

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> > Surrey's cricket ground is The Oval. Basically

> > south of the river used to be Surrey.

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> You sure? I think East of OKR was Kent

> (Blackheath/Beckenham and all down that way was

> for sure)Bromley too I think

Yeah I'm sure you're right. My point really was just that you didn't have to go far out of central London to be out of London.

[LondonMix]

It's just a question of how far back you look. Once everything outside the City walls wasn't London.

[Louisa]

If you go back far enough, many of the East End folk just outside of the city were farm labourers and rural folk from The surrounding countryside of Essex who moved in to help spread the city into the new slums which made up the district (to be joined by Jewish, Irish and Hugeonot immigrants over the decades). It's all come full circle now many of the 'old timer' East Londoners have moved back out to Essex suburbia where no doubt many of their long distant ancestor may have originally came from!

Louisa.

[Loz]

Most of the Croydons, Bromleys etc were moved out of their traditional counties and became London boroughs in 1965.

[LondonMix]

Yes, correct me if I'm wrong but all the new post 1965 boroughs make up Outer London (as a legal definition) and all of the pre-1965 Boroughs make up Inner London.

[Louisa]

The inner London boundaries changed towards the end of the 19th century, with Peckham and Dulwich being transferred from Surrey to the Metropolitan Borough of Camberwell later becoming part of the County of London in 1889. This probably explains why areas such as Croydon and Bromley retain historical county ties being later (1965) additions to the city proper, whereas areas such as our own have been incorporated into London for well over a century. It's still interesting we retain our Surrey heritage in place names, sporting venues and defunct canals. Also lets not forget Surrey Quays shopping centre.

Louisa.

[LondonMix]

Sorry, I meant the current legal definition of Inner and Outer London. These are official definitions for this used for various official purposes. Based on that definition, Southwark is part of Inner London.

[Otta]

So basically London is like the borg from star trek, just assimilating different areas so that they have a collective organic consciousness.

[Jeremy]

Loz Wrote:

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> Most of the Croydons, Bromleys etc were moved out

> of their traditional counties and became London

> boroughs in 1965.

Yep. Same case with Barnet and Enfield (originally my neck of the woods). Nobody really considered them part of north London. To us, London started somewhere around Tottenham/Edmonton.

[LondonMix]

Yep, basically. All big cities are like the Borg. Brooklyn use to be its own city separate from NY for a very long time as well.

Otta Wrote:

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> So basically London is like the borg from star

> trek, just assimilating different areas so that

> they have a collective organic consciousness.

[Louisa]

Everywhere apart from Dartford. Almost a city state, with barbed wire fencing surrounding it. Even Kent isn't interested.

Louisa.

[Otta]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Everywhere apart from Dartford. Almost a city

> state, with barbed wire fencing surrounding it.

> Even Kent isn't interested.

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> Louisa.

I think the fence is to keep them in.

[Louisa]

Or to stop them breeding with people from Gravesend, imagine what could happen?

Louisa.