Donald Trump

[Blah Blah]

I think the more serious question is one of why we are seeing a sudden rise in extremism. It's the same rise we see in all periods of decline, esp after global crashes. If another crash comes, and China is of concern at the moment, it's going to get worse. People really do need to step back and think deeply about what they are voting for, and look to history if necessary.

[Jeremy]

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> London Mix - on the UK betting markets Clinton is

> now 1/2 on for the Presidency, Bush 2/1 and

> Sanders 12/1...the latter 's odds demonstrates

> just how deluded the liberal 'intelligensia' of

> Social Media are if my news feed is anything to go

> by. I am going to lump on a reasonable sum on Clinton.

What? Bush isn't even in the running any more... are those odd out-of-date?

[Mick Mac]

s/be Clinton I think...

[????]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

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> > London Mix - on the UK betting markets Clinton

> is

> > now 1/2 on for the Presidency, Bush 2/1 and

> > Sanders 12/1...the latter 's odds demonstrates

> > just how deluded the liberal 'intelligensia' of

> > Social Media are if my news feed is anything to

> go

> > by. I am going to lump on a reasonable sum on

> Clinton.

>

> What? Bush isn't even in the running any more...

> are those odd out-of-date?

Trump I meant I'll go and correct

[Jeremy]

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> Trump I meant I'll go and correct

Ah OK... probably should have realised that...

[JohnL]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> s/be Clinton I think...

I'd agree.

Some Newspapers trying to blow up Clinton confrontation with a Somali-American girl today.

[Loz]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> I think the more serious question is one of why we are seeing a sudden rise in extremism. It's the

> same rise we see in all periods of decline, esp after global crashes. If another crash comes, and

> China is of concern at the moment, it's going to get worse. People really do need to step back and

> think deeply about what they are voting for, and look to history if necessary.

It's across the board as well. Much as their supporters would like to deny it, the unhappiness behind the emergence of Trump is also behind Sanders and Corbyn coming to the fore.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Loz Wrote:

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> Blah Blah Wrote:

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> > I think the more serious question is one of why

> we are seeing a sudden rise in extremism. It's

> the

> > same rise we see in all periods of decline, esp

> after global crashes. If another crash comes, and

> > China is of concern at the moment, it's going to

> get worse. People really do need to step back and

> > think deeply about what they are voting for, and

> look to history if necessary.

>

> It's across the board as well. Much as their

> supporters would like to deny it, the unhappiness

> behind the emergence of Trump is also behind

> Sanders and Corbyn coming to the fore.

I agree with this. It's about looking for to blame someone for economic problems / decline. In the case of Corbyn and Sanders, it's looking to blame those with power and money and positions of influence. For Trump / UKIP it's about blaming those who generally lack power, money or influence. Although both are simplistic, you can probably guess which of the two I have more sympathy with.

[Marra S]

i say let him run, spend a forturn, then crash and burn, good luck donald

[Jeremy]

"Blame" is probably part of it (especially with the anti-immigration right). But more broadly I think it's mainly about disillusionment with the status quo and convincing the electorate that you're a viable alternative to the establishment.

[DaveR]

An interesting take on Trump and the Republican party:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-the-gops-frankenstein-monster-now-hes-strong-enough-to-destroy-the-party/2016/02/25/3e443f28-dbc1-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html

[Blah Blah]

I think as well that part of the disillusionment comes from what we value and aspire to. People think money and stuff will bring them happiness and fulfilment. So the hatred of the rich often goes hand in hand with jealousy of what they have. And opportunity becomes about access to the best paid jobs and biggest houses.

The happiest and healthiest societies are those who share and work together. The family unit is the simplest understanding we have of this, but a wider community can achieve much more. It's the relationships we have with people that shape well-being, not having the latest iphone or flashiest car.

Obviously, things like genuine poverty, that extends to not having enough to eat, or to keep warm etc are genuine complaints. But when I see people moaning about the world and vowing to vote Trump on TV, they are often very well fed, in front of nice cars, bikes, decent housing etc. They are not the people on food stamps, working two jobs on workfare.

[eden01]

JohnL Wrote:

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> On twitter today

>

> 2016 No way will Trump win the election

> 2017 No way will President Trump fire all those

> Nukes

> 2018 No way are we doing what these Apes say.

like it but mist one

2019 no way Caesar trump with beat Maurice

[shoshntosh]

trump is a disaster, to be sure. but have you seen the other guy, ted cruz? he's the devil incarnate.

it's like dumb and dumber.

[dbboy]

Dumb and dumber - sums up the yanks and USA totally. Personally i'd deport the lot of them, revoke all visa's and ban all american imports, products and services.

Starting with McDonalds and KFC.

The UK has the best Government, legal, judicial and health systems in the world.

[Louisa]

dbboy Wrote:

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> Dumb and dumber - sums up the yanks and USA

> totally. Personally i'd deport the lot of them and

> ban all american imports, products and services.

>

> Starting with McDonalds and KFC.

Donald Trump gets to stand for president, and yet I'm banned from the main section. The world we live in I'm afraid dbboy!

Louisa.

[Earl Aelfheah]

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[Earl Aelfheah]

Louisa Wrote:

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> > Dumb and dumber - sums up the yanks and USA

> > totally. Personally i'd deport the lot of them

> and

> > ban all american imports, products and services.

>

> >

> > Starting with McDonalds and KFC.

>

> Donald Trump gets to stand for president, and yet

> I'm banned from the main section. The world we

> live in I'm afraid dbboy!

>

> Louisa.

Exactly, make me proud to be British

[Otta]

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> Personally i'd deport the lot of them

Isn't saying something like this one of the reasons we're all very cross with The Donald?

['bout now]

> They are not the people on food stamps, working

> two jobs on workfare.

They are not on TV because they are working two jobs, obvs. Sadly though this is exactly the demographic Trump is appealing to, it's a genuine belief that he can change their circumstance and it's fuelled by paranoia, bigotry and greed. Sounds very familiar, historically.

[Jeremy]

The UK doesn't have the best healthcare in the world - despite all the sentimentality.

As for the best government in the world? Now I know you're taking the piss...

[Louisa]

One thing about the USA I personally admire, is that class, sex and racial boundaries do not appear to prevent people from standing as a nominee for head of state. This of course has pro's and con's, it does mean some nut jobs can stand and get close to office, but I personally have more faith in the general populace than that.

Here in the UK our head of state comes from a family of unelected wealthy aristocrats. Our PM only needs 36% of the vote to govern a country in which Scotland overwhelmingly voted for something different and a further 8 million voted for various smaller parties and got just 3 MP's. Our claim to being the mother of all democracies is a spurious one.

Louisa.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> The UK doesn't have the best healthcare in the

> world - despite all the sentimentality.

>

> As for the best government in the world? Now I

> know you're taking the piss...

Arguably we have one of the best value healthcare systems in the world.

[Louisa]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > The UK doesn't have the best healthcare in the

> > world - despite all the sentimentality.

> >

> > As for the best government in the world? Now I

> > know you're taking the piss...

>

> Arguably we have one of the best value healthcare

> systems in the world.

According to a WHO report we came 18th.

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Hardly amazing for the 5th biggest economy in the world.

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

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> Arguably we have one of the best value healthcare systems in the world.

Yep, in terms of accessibility and affordability, it's probably the best.

It terms of standard of healthcare - I think it's very good but you can't necessarily say it's better than comparable countries.