BCG & TB

[Skye]

Thanks Molly x

[huncamunca]

antijen Wrote:

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> I know you said you only wanted opinions from

> people who have had BCG injection Maki, but would

> just like to say eucalyptus oil kills the TB

> organism outright, but should only be taken under

> supervision and with care.

so does domestos

[Magpie]

Thanks for the info Heidi - I have a slight scar on my arm from where I got the BCG - from memory it was preceeded by a skin tests to see if you were allergic

Perhaps one for the drawing room, but sadly the rise of TB is yet another unintended consequence of mass immigration in the last 10 years . . . . . .

[pommie]

My daughter had her BCG when she was around 8 months old. Nothing to worry about apart from a blister but its ok now. I was told that they are giving BCG's early these days instead of at school (when i had mine) cos of so many new diseases etc out there now

[sunbob]

Magpie Wrote:

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>Quick question, and excuse ignorance - I had my BCG when I was around 13 - is it now given to infants or is this a different jab?

As i understand it this is the same jab but new research shows that the BCG is most effective when given as soon after birth as possible.

> Perhaps one for the drawing room, but sadly the

> rise of TB is yet another unintended consequence

> of mass immigration in the last 10 years . . . . .

I think it may have something to do with the government stopping the universal immunisation at 13 and the rise in levels of child poverty including overcrowded and unfit homes.

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...or maybe not

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6109228.stm

[annaj]

It's to do with all those things.

That BBC link is quite old, Quids, more recent data (last year's figures) can be found here and actually show that numbers are no longer rising.

Migration is a major (probably the main) factor, but coincided with the withdrawal of the vaccination programme in teenagers (which was premature in my opinion) and a widening gap between the haves and have-nots that leaves more people, particularly the vulnerable, living in poverty.

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I know Anna, I just felt the previous post was being a bit PC rather than factual, and your figures suggest there was some truth in that, although I'm glad to see levels have stabilised. Incidentally, as you're good at stats (I'm guessing) a widening gap in poverty doesn't neccesarily relate to an increase in actual poverty as it's a measure of differences with the average not an absolute measure - the rich could just be getting richer qucker than the poor. I don't mean that as tritely as it sounds, but that's the way the stats are collected. If Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Donald Trump all became UK citizens tomorrow child poverty as we measure it would also increase.

Finally on a lighthearted morbid note if it wasn't for TB I wouldn't be here as my grans' first husband died of it shortly after they married, so she ended up with my grandad a couple of years later. But I'd like it if we could eradicate it now.

[annaj]

And I know what you mean, both about the poverty gap (about which you are absolutely right) and the previous post. At a glance the HPA figures do support immigration as the main contributor - 72% of cases in those born outside the UK.

Anyhoo, that's probably enough family room time for me, I have a feeling the OP wasn't after an in depth breakdown of last years HPA stats.

ps to get into the nature/nurture/genetics/would-Quids-be-the-same-if-he'd-had-a-different-grandpa debate would really be taking the thread off topic, but I'm grateful to TB for bringing us the Quids we know and love/argue with.