Skye

Hi there, I am due baby number two on the 11th Feb, I would love to come along to the next one if that is ok? Thanks, Skye x

"I said it because I felt shocked and disgusted by it. Period. It is not my business if she chooses to put her health and more importantly that of her foetuses, at risk. But I feel it is my business if I see something so evidently revolting to me and countless others, to express that revulsion" She needs help, I am not even joking. I hope she doesn?t have kids, sweet lord I dread to think.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > World of difference naz > > Dropping litter not only pollutes public space in > a socially unacceptable way, but you can be fined > for it. Dropping litter is not minding your own > business Narnia - enough said.

Er hang on Lig, tell me where I said your valid concerns were crazy? I said you were crazy, which I stand by, especially given your neurotic reply. I don?t smoke, but after reading some of the tripe you have placed on here, I am seriously considering it. Does your husband smoke? As for ?ridiculing? the point Narnia makes?oh pluuuuuuuuuuuurlease. I was simply pointing out the difference in delivery.

Lig ? how very manipulative in your reply. However just so you are clear, the reason I say ?poor woman? is because she had a crazy woman (yes you) come up to her in the street telling her she was disgusting. How dare you?! You know NOTHING about this woman, she could have just been told her mother died for all you know. Yet you go in, guns blazing, giving dirty looks and encroaching your morals on someone you know, nothing, yes nothing about! So please don?t play the ?poor unborn child? card with me. Narnia ? ?I saw someone throwing litter on the street today and I told them off. I've no idea if it was their first offence or if they do it all the time? is totally different to ?I could not help but give her a filthy look, which she reciprocated...and then I let loose and told her how selfish she was and how disgusting is was to be smoking whilst pregnant, and so publically. I told her she should be ashamed of herself as well.? So I fail to see your point.

Oh come on, you did verbally abuse the poor woman, and yes you do need help. I think it's fair to say, that pretty much everyone agrees that smoking while pregnant is wrong, what most don?t agree with is the way you acted. Get it? Like missus rightly said, ?don't ever assume that your parameter for moral acceptability is the same as everyone elses and, moreover, never assume that your morals are so finely-tuned that you have the right to tell others how to live their lives.? However I get the distinct impression that this will fall on deaf ears, people like you never change. It?s very sad.

Lig needs help in my opinion. As far as I am concerned, the only reason 'the chav and tattooed friend' said nothing was because they felt sorry for her and hoped she would make her way make to the Maudsley hospital safely. .

Ligaturiosity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Growlybear, you do not know that the woman acted > with 'such restraint' for starters. And the fact > that you assume that many people would have hit > out is sad. > AS has been said, if you choose to do something so > socially and morally unacceptable and to flaunt it > so publically, you should expect to get negative > comments and looks. > > Ann, thank you for your pertinent question ie > define a chav. There are many variants of this > creature but all are subject to the following > commonalities: > > Chavs are completely amoral, having never been > subjected to right and wrong by their inattentive, > uncaring and often absent parents. Poorly > educated, non-skilled job with no chance of > improving/ on the dole, normally obese with three > children and one on the way, sounds common and > feels the need to broadcast it to everyone within > a three mile radius, cheap shiny Argos jewellery, > no manners. Almost always smoke and drink White > Lightning and buckfast tonic (Yawn)

Go Huggers!!!

Oh come on Ligaturiosity! '?and then I let loose and told her how selfish she was and how disgusting is was to be smoking whilst pregnant, and so publically.' And now it's: ?Is it verbal abuse telling someone it is shocking to see them smoking while pregnant?? Talk about backtrack. If you can?t stand the heat, get out this kitchen! I just wish the burley woman you claim was with the pregnant woman; gave you what for back, because if that was my friend I certainly would have and I know who would have come off worse.

Ligaturiosity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks to those who have given a reasoned response > to my original posting. It would seem I had > murdered someone the anger some are showing > towards me. I didn't 'attack' this woman or act > aggressively. I merely said that I was shocked and > appalled by seeing her smoking and pregnant. It's > true I felt both those things. I really don't care > if people say it wasn't my place to say anything. > Maybe it wasn't, but I did and I don't regret it. > I love babies and think they owe it to us to give > them the best start in life. It makes my blood > boil that some people can be so selfish for just 9 > months. > > Call me judgemental? Ha! I am indeed. But aren't > we all? Quite so. I'd like to point out that those who did give you support are in the minority. I wonder why? Perhaps because must of us are not narrow minded bigots. Would you have verbally abused her should she have been with big burley husband. No of course not. Bullies pick their victims very carefully.

Hear, hear peckhamboy! I really do not know what gives people the right to play judge, jury and execution. Some people need to mind their own business and get a life of their own. While I agree it?s not a nice sight, what on earth gives you the right to infringe your beliefs on another human. .

Thanks for the feedback everyone - I'll appeal it and see what happens. These local councils have a good gig here, a licence to print money.....grr!

Hope no one minds me jumping on the back of this thread, but I am looking for a bit of advice too. I got a parking ticket 8pm on a Saturday evening (20th March) for parking in a disabled bay. I totally never knew it was there, it was dark and raining and I simply missed it. Anyhow, when I pick my car up the next morning I noticed I had a ticket, ironically I drove to LL so to save in cab fares - not happy I come home, accepted defeat and coughed up ?60. Last week I get a letter saying I owe ?180. I call up and explain I have paid this and I am told I was issued with 2 tickets and that I omitted to pay the fine for Sunday 21st March which was issued at 8.30am. Now there was without doubt only 1 ticket on my car, and can they even fine me for the same offence twice? Cheeky sods! Should I appeal?

Thanks Molly x

Oooo i'd love to come along too - the 12th sounds great, I'll wait to hear on the venue. xx

I am in the same predicament with my 10 month old. I didn?t have mine until I was 13, and it wasn?t painful and nor did I scare. Can anyone tell me how often the child needs to have the booster - is it just the once at 4 years old?

The One-o-Clock club in Peckham Rye Park is good and faily cheap too - you get inside and outside space, and the toys are included to0.

The One-o-Clock club in Peckham Rye Park is good and faily cheap too - you get inside and outside space, and the toys are included to0.

Hey! Thank you for the warm welcome guys! I will be trying that nappy trick...hmm...in approx about 2 hours, when I am sure Little Miss will wake up! But for now, it's wine-o-clock and my woes are at the back of my mind...for now that is.

Hey! Thank you for the warm welcome guys! I will be trying that nappy trick...hmm...in approx about 2 hours, when I am sure Little Miss will wake up! But for now, it's wine-o-clock and my woes are at the back of my mind...for now that is.

Hi All, I am new to this forum and this thread has brought a smile to my face and a little bit of hope! I was starting to think I was the only mummy in the whole universe that averages 5 hours of broken sleep per night, has a baby (10 months) that will not allow me to put their nappy on and has cut 4 top teeth in less than a week, and owns a boiler that is on the blink. Seems I am just rather normal after all! Oh the joys?.! xx

Hi All, I am new to this forum and this thread has brought a smile to my face and a little bit of hope! I was starting to think I was the only mummy in the whole universe that averages 5 hours of broken sleep per night, has a baby (10 months) that will not allow me to put their nappy on and has cut 4 top teeth in less than a week, and owns a boiler that is on the blink. Seems I am just rather normal after all! Oh the joys?.! xx