An ED resident writes...

[huncamunca]

Rod Liddle

[MitchK]

Woah, no way am I posting a reply to this one. Far too controversial. I'll leave it to someone else...

[Horsebox]

Isn't Rod Liddle a renowned, alcoholic bigot?

That would explain a lot. Pissed when he wrote it? Maybe.

[????]

too many visits to the Den

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Oi!

[Brendan]

Right wing arsehole is also a racist. Big surprise.

[Brendan]

Well a "socialist" I suppose but really, he contributes to the Spectator.

[RosieH]

Rod Liddle - utter c**t.

[pk]

RosieH Wrote:

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> Rod Liddle - utter c**t.

wise words

i saw this story on the local news last night and Rod Liddle was denying he was racist etc, etc

when i read the stuff i thought that he must've decided that he was going to go out of his way to be overtly racist - what a w**ker

[SteveT]

Rod Liddle wrote:-

The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community.

Where does he get his evidence from? Is it accurate?

If it comes from a reliable source of police or government figures then it is irrefutable.

[????]

Even in it is that's irrelevant - let's look at the racial profile for crime in Teeside for instance and then we can almost certainly replace 'Afro-carribean' with 'white' and look at the whole tone and meaning of the whole horrid piece which has nothing to do with 'stating the facts'....at all

[Brendan]

Yeah it isn?t that it is true or not it has to do with the tone and intention.

[HAL9000]

SteveT Wrote:

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> Where does he get his evidence from? Is it

> accurate?

>

> If it comes from a reliable source of police or

> government figures then it is irrefutable.

He was interviewed on TV news last night. The program's researchers produced official figures that support his claims.

[????]

It's not about the figures Hal.......

[HAL9000]

Quids - I know.

[SteveT]

It's about avoiding trouble.

[SeanMacGabhann]

y'know, like Enoch tried to "avoid trouble"

[pk]

HAL9000 Wrote:

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> SteveT Wrote:

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> > Where does he get his evidence from? Is it

> > accurate?

> >

> > If it comes from a reliable source of police or

> > government figures then it is irrefutable.

>

> He was interviewed on TV news last night. The

> program's researchers produced official figures

> that support his claims.

the stats that i saw didn't - what did you see?

did they also show stats that show that "in return, we have rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us" as being a fair summary?

[HAL9000]

pk Wrote:

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> the stats that i saw didn't - what did you see?

Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

[pk]

HAL9000 Wrote:

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> > the stats that i saw didn't - what did you see?

>

>

> Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

i haven't got any stats that show that what he said is true, i doubt that any exist - so i am asking you to share the stats that you have that 'support his claims'

his claims being that:

across all of the types of crime he listed: street crime and knife crime and gun crime and robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London, the 'overwhelming majority' (not sure how much more than 50% is required to be 'overwhelming' but it's far to assume that it's quite a bit more, i think) are committed by people who are 'young' and 'black' and 'from the African-Carribean community'

(and that's not to mention his claims about rap music and curry goat etc)

[HAL9000]

pk Wrote:

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> i haven't got any stats that show that what he

> said is true, i doubt that any exist - so i am

> asking you to share the stats that you have that

> 'support his claims'

I was citing stats produced by a TV news program that aired last night, which presented them as support for Liddle's claims. I think it was Channel 4 News: last night's program might still be available on demand or via the C4 website.

With regard to rap music - I can't stand it, but I am partial to a nice goat curry, although I prefer my goat either spit-roasted or "stolen" (i.e. kleftiko-style).

[pk]

HAL9000 Wrote:

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> I was citing stats produced by a TV news program

> that aired last night

but you're not actually giving any stats?

do you really think that the below taken as a whole is capable of support by stats (were you to know any such stats)?

and that (again taken as a whole) it's not offensive?

"The first of an occasional series ? those benefits of a multi-cultural Britain in full. Let me introduce you all to this human filth.

It could be an anomaly, of course. But it isn?t. The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. Of course, in return, we have rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks."

[HAL9000]

pk Wrote:

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> but you're not actually giving any stats?

No, I was only citing the Home Office stats produced by C4 news last night. I've no reason to disbelieve them, though.

> do you really think

I've not expressed an opinion regarding the other issues raised within this thread (apart from my personal views about rap music and goat curry) so you might consider addressing a poster who has in order to expedite your argument.

[pk]

HAL9000 Wrote:

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> > but you're not actually giving any stats?

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> No, I was only citing the Home Office stats

> produced by C4 news last night. I've no reason to

> disbelieve them, though.

>

but 'citing' stats involves referencing the source and saying what the

stats say doesn't it? you know as 'evidence'?

do you know what it is that you don't disbelieve? can you share it?

> > do you really think [?]

>

> I've not expressed an opinion

that's why it was a question

[Brendan]

Here's some stuff on the stats he was using;

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23780631-figures-back-him-but-dont-tell-whole-story.do