Tessmo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Neighbouring Herne Hill - community action is live and well...http://www.hernehill.org.uk/news/herne-hill-cross-roads Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Edward Alleyn must be spinning in his grave. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxjen Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 rahrahrah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Edward Alleyn must be spinning in his grave.People keep saying this but he was of a very different age and the provisions he made were for the circumstances of the early 17th century. Whilst being concerned about Edward Alleyn's sensibilities, it might be well to consider that he was a successful businessman whose interests included brothels. He was also the "master of the king's games of bears, bulls and dogs" that is he organised the cruel and barbaric "entertainments" of bear- and bull- baiting. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The Herne Hill "blog" has the Dulwich Estate raising the rent of one shop only.Details are on the Hindwoods site www.hindwoods.co.ukIt is not a rent increase as can be seen from the sales particulars.John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeb Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 John - not sure what you mean. On Hindmans, 18 Half Moon Lane is for rent at ?42k p.a. for new FRI lease. How can you tell the rent hasn't gone up? or are you talking about a different property? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Don't see the point of a petition to retain a music venue. It's a classic case of use it or lose it - as much as you may like the idea of a local venue, not enough people used it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Jeremy there are times when you come across as a complete philistine and this is one of those times. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Ignoring your uncalled-for aggression... I used to go to loads of gigs (from when I was a teenager, up to when I became a family man and my social life went down the pan). I've also played in quite a few bands, including touring bands. So I certainly don't mean to come across as unappreciative of music or the value of socialising..Music venues are disappearing around the country mainly for two reasons - property development, and people not going out to watch live music. The former can be countered to an extent by community action (assets of community value, etc), but any arts facility can only exist when enough people want to use it. I went to quite a few gigs at the Half Moon from 2000 onwards, I think I've only seen it busy once. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 He has a point. The music / comedy part of the pub was hardly full (or even open) every night and bringing the custom in to keep the place going. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Cross posted. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 *Sighs* The OP wasn't about the Half Moon in particular but about the increase in rents by Network Rail and Dulwich estates on independent traders in Herne Hill. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Sorry - the link (in the OP) mentions the venue at the Half moon a few times, and includes a link to a petition. That is the bit I was specifically referring to. I can't help thinking that if people had used it more, then the new owner would realise that it was worth keeping. And a petition wouldn't be necessary.On the plus side, at least in HH you're in walking distance to places like the Hootananny and the excellent Windmill, and various other pubs that have music. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The Half Moon doesn't have a new owner - it's got a new lease (a pub chain). Dulwich Estates remain the owner. The previous landlord had opened up the back room again and had it full on a monthly basis. With completely different programming to the Windmill / Hoot. The Dulwich Estate wanted to refurb the upper floors into flats. Southwark turned down their request for planning permission to do this. The link to the wider Herne Hill / DE / Network Rail petition is here: https://www.change.org/p/dulwich-estates-dulwich-estates-to-behave-reasonably-and-charge-reasonable-rents?recruiter=229090021&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 snowy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The previous landlord had opened up the back room> again and had it full on a monthly basis. With> completely different programming to the Windmill /> Hoot. Once a month is not great business for the pub. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 That didn't matter. He was making money off the bar / food, and then experimenting as to whether there was a market for the back room - it was a time when HH was a little quieter than it is now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 If the back room can be viable then great, I would be really happy to see it survive. But they need some kind of plan to draw more punters - either that or reduce the size of the room (e.g. The Cavendish in Stockwell). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-950987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 snowy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> That didn't matter. He was making money off the> bar / food, and then experimenting as to whether> there was a market for the back roomThat was my point really. The music and comedy element would be most welcome but wouldn't be enough alone unless you had a really really dedicated promoter that never slept. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-951028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 snowy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> That didn't matter. He was making money off the> bar / food, and then experimenting as to whether> there was a market for the back room - it was a> time when HH was a little quieter than it is now.Zzzzz you work at a desk for 'someone' yes ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-951152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Sorry, you're being a bit too oblique for me to understand seabag! I do in fact work at a desk for 'someone' but that someone is nothing to do with DE / Fullers / the half moon / anything to do with the hospitality industry. Apologies if you thought I was some sort of schuck for someone with a vested interest. I wasn't seeking a row - just perhaps carrying over some annoyance from another local forum, where people who didn't know the area of the background were deciding what would be right and wrong for the pub and that bit of HH. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-951332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 snowy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> carrying over some annoyance from another local forum, where people who didn't know the area of the> background were deciding what would be right and wrong for the pub and that bit of HH.Was that the Herne Hill forum then? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-951393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 haha, nope! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/90782-what-the-dulwich-estate-is-doing-to-herne-hill/#findComment-951426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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