Railway rise

[Charles Notice]

Why have this mornings posts on 3 Railway Rise all been deleted?

[Administrator]

It had too many personal details that should not be given out on a public forum.

[rupert james]

Land registry details and price are in the public domain.

[Blah Blah]

Indeed Rupert. Establishing that the person in question does not own the road and that the property company that owns the commercial premises does is important. Not only does it say that the woman has no right to enforce who uses the road, but that also she has no legal right to take photos, as the land is private and not owned by her.

[edhistory]

> the land is private

Which is why the original poster should not be using the private road as a convenient commuter drop-off point for the car.

John K

[richard tudor]

Could admin put up the full thread, minus of course what they feel is wrong if need be, so we can follow the whole story

[intexasatthe moment]

As far as I can recall it mentioned a woman ( no name ) from Railway Rise , gave a land registry link and quoted various companies who were thought to own the road .

[Blah Blah]

I didn't mention any companies, just that there was a land owner who also owned the commercial properties. No names whatsoever have been mentioned and no information offered that isn't already freely available in the public domain.

'> the land is private

Which is why the original poster should not be using the private road as a convenient commuter drop-off point for the car.

John K'

Not quite. It serves as an access road to commercial properties, so whilst the road is private, it is also open. There are lots of examples of these kinds of access roads. U turning on them or waiting on them is not a criminal act. The OP has done nothing wrong.

[edhistory]

Yes, it provides access to the builders yard.

It is not a commuter drop off point.

John K

[Blah Blah]

But that is a moot point. A vehicle is not committing any infringement by doing that.

[edhistory]

Can't have an infringement on an un-adopted road.

It's a civil matter.

It's also ant-social.

You support this?

John K

[Blah Blah]

I don't consider occasionally dropping someone off to be anti-social. I do consider someone verbally abusing someone and taking photos they can't legally take as anti-social behaviour though - and would report such behaviour to the police for the agressive harassment that it is.

[richard tudor]

Is this all to do with the development of the old garden site and possible redevelopment of the unlisted and of no architectural merit railway houses?

Laying down a precedent for the planning committee in the future?

[KidKruger]

It's a lane adjacent to the station.

How can anyone in their right mind realistically expect it not to be used for drop-offs ?

Signs up saying don't drop-off are un reasonable.

If people in the railway cottages are complaining, tought titty. It's a busy station in zone 2 FFS.

[Jeremy]

Yep, inevitably it's going to get used for pick-ups and drop-offs. Especially bearing in mind that a large chunk of SE22 is not really close to any station.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to drop off or pick up there personally.

[rupert james]

richard tudor Wrote:

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> Is this all to do with the development of the old

> garden site and possible redevelopment of the

> unlisted and of no architectural merit railway

> houses?

>

> Laying down a precedent for the planning committee

> in the future?

If it was OK to use this road when the garden center was operating to park, why has this person/s only just started to make a fuss over people using it briefly.

Sounds like they had no legal right over it before but trying to put their marker down for whatever reason.

When they bought the house they must have known the road usage.

The truth would be interesting

[Louisa]

I agree with edhistory, it's anti-social and a civil matter. It's out of order to use a private road for any reason other than to visit one of the businesses on/off of it, or to visit people living in residential properties on it. Simple as that. Stop your vehicle somewhere else.

Louisa.

[spider69]

have you any idea where this road is?

Dropping someone off or collecting using this bit of road makes a lot of sense, better than blocking the main road/

That is anti social.

[Louisa]

I do not for a moment condone the reaction of the person living at one of the cottages. That is indeed anti social. But equally, you can't escape from the fact that a private road should not be used for dropping off/picking up as it sets a precedent. If the land owner does not want people to use the private road for that purpose then anyone partaking in pick ups and drop offs is in breach of the owners wishes and it becomes a civil matter.

Louisa.

[spider69]

But does she own the land or does the garden center or building merchants.

Sets precedent, been happening for as long as I can remember many many decades

That is the question. New incomer land grab?

Answer on a postcard please. Suspect theres is more to this than meets the eye.

Never a problem before.

[nxjen]

It may be a private road but there may be all sorts of covenants attached regarding access. Is there a sign displayed stating the road is private and access for station drop offs is not allowed? Without such a notice a civil matter would not get very far as the law makes allowances that most people are not telepathic

[KidKruger]

There's nowhere else local to drop-off, that's the way it's been set-up - limited parking around that area - not a viable (and sensible [and workable]) option.

The lane is a cul de sac, so no-one is being blocked or slowed-down by drop-offs.

People drop-off outside / near my house all the time, big deal, it's London.

If you want your own lane then live in the country.

From the other posts above, it seems someone living on the lane has been bossing the situation with signs - is that right ?

I can understand the situation might change once a development has occured where the garden centre site was, but until then, really, what else is the lane going to be used for ?

Someone's quite little private oasis in the centre of Zone 2.

lol

[KidKruger]

I would have thought the railway own the land, after all (I believe) the builders yard was an unloading facility for wounded soldiers from one of the World Wars wasn't it (WWI ?) ?

If so, I'd imagine the builder's yard could possibly be private (or leased from railway company), but not the lane.

[rupert james]

I don't think that long time residents regarded this as a private road but a road for the garden centre and the building supply centre.

Dropping off was part of the local fabric of life

However since people have paid over the top for property they want to make sure they get all they think they entitled too.

Story of ED I am afraid. Not the easy going area I grew up in.

The past was far more easy and enjoyable. Now I suspect most in debt and must keep up appearances by safe guarding assets to borrow against.

I worry about the tyre shop areal asset to the area. Does it now fit in to the precious I am special mob.