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messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rahrahrah 02 February, 2017 10:24

JohnL Wrote:
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> Trump has hung up on the Aussie PM smiling smiley

Strewth!

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Alan Medic 02 February, 2017 12:56

JohnL Wrote:
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> Trump has hung up on the Aussie PM smiling smiley

Not so says the Aussie PM

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JohnL 02 February, 2017 15:06

Australia PM is just being polite I reckon - although they do say "abruptly ended" rather than "hung up".

"The call ended courteously, that's all I want to say about that,"

"Australia Sky News sources reported that the President "yelled" at Malcolm Turnbull "
"Mr Trump reportedly criticized the Prime Minister .. and boasted about his electoral college win."
"Mr Trump hung up after 25 minutes and said "This was the worst call by far"
"He also reportedly said to Mr Turnbull he was "going to get killed" ..... politically" smiling smiley


[www.independent.co.uk]



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messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rahrahrah 02 February, 2017 15:11

Trump is such a bellend

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rahrahrah 02 February, 2017 15:15

.. in case anyone was unclear about whether he was or not.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JohnL 02 February, 2017 15:52

Now I know how Trump did it and it's sad (spoiler for Marvel)

[time.com]

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by ratty 02 February, 2017 19:39

Sick of him. Like it or not he was democratically elected (although his next election I fear may be less then democratic). Unless he carks it of natural causes we are in for a shit storm, but leaving the EU means we will suck up to him as much as we possibly can, probably by necessity, so probably best to develop a thick skin early and just hope that he has a degree of sanity and does not start a war!

If someone kills him it will be a shitstorm of biblical proportions!

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by red devil 02 February, 2017 23:14

Newsnight has started a new feature called Viewsnight, an ongoing series of short videos by the informed, the enlightened...and Rod Liddle

[www.youtube.com]

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Jenny1 03 February, 2017 09:30

To my shame I'd never heard of Neil Postman. But this is an interesting article about the book he wrote in the 80s which to some extent predicted our current political landscape. More Aldous Huxley than George Orwell.

[www.theguardian.com]

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JohnL 03 February, 2017 11:20

"This is not the America I know..." just a reminder this am to teach acceptance and love to our kids for all races, all religions.."

Tweet from George W Bush's daughter !!

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by red devil 03 February, 2017 11:28

Bush's daughters showed Obama's daughters around the White House when Obama first took office. They also wrote an open letter to them recently upon leaving the White House, wishing them well...

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Jenny1 03 February, 2017 14:20

I hope this link will work

[www.theatlantic.com]

to a long and interesting piece in The Atlantic Monthly

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Jenny1 04 February, 2017 08:27

There we go. Legal process on the way thanks to Bob Ferguson, Attorney General, Washington State.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by jaywalker 04 February, 2017 20:13

Jenny1 Wrote:
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> I hope this link will work
>
> [www.theatlantic.com]
> 03/how-to-build-an-autocracy/513872/
>
> to a long and interesting piece in The Atlantic
> Monthly

Great post Jenny, and thanks. That is terrifying reading.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by stringvest 04 February, 2017 23:29

I bet his barber won't get an honour.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rahrahrah 05 February, 2017 07:04

Jenny1 Wrote:
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> I hope this link will work
>
> [www.theatlantic.com]
> 03/how-to-build-an-autocracy/513872/
>
> to a long and interesting piece in The Atlantic
> Monthly

Good read

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rahrahrah 05 February, 2017 07:43

It is easy, with so much craziness, to almost become immune to it. Just a reminder of the last week of Trump TrumpWatch: The Week's 5 Flashpoints From President Trump
[www.huffingtonpost.co.uk] this guy is dangerous.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rahrahrah 05 February, 2017 07:47

I e found it particularly galling to see how quickly politicians have fallen in behind Trump (especially those on the right). Often politicians that generally I respect, or would have expected to speak out more. This article puts it well [www.theguardian.com]

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Jenny1 05 February, 2017 12:55

Thanks for posting the link rahrahrah. I think the 'Central Park Five' issue is particularly alarming.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by jaywalker 05 February, 2017 19:02

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> It is easy, with so much craziness, to almost
> become immune to it.

That is exactly right, and why we should keep posting and (where appropriate) re-threading. This from Trump for me is key:

"I say it's better to get along with Russia than not. And if Russia helps us in the fight against Isis [so-called Islamic State], which is a major fight, and Islamic terrorism all over the world - that's a good thing. Will I get along with him? I have no idea. (square brackets inserted by the rather overly-squeamish BBC news editor).

He knows very well (given the half-recognised fact that he is a simulation of himself) that he must identify an overwhelmingly self-evident foe to anchor his presidency in 'reality' (the judicial fight back against his immigration orders, though absolutely right, will reinforce his support).

Meanwhile, Ukraine is greatly destabilised and he is promising to "get along" with Putin to fight the greater foe of Isis. Now I wonder what opportunity that presents to Russia?

The UK govt meanwhile is frightened out of its wits. It knows that it is moving us out of the natural security of the EU and feels it must now depend on a "special" relationship with Trump. At some point Parliament will wake up: but I doubt it will be in time.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Loz 05 February, 2017 21:42

jaywalker Wrote:
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> rahrahrah Wrote:
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> > It is easy, with so much craziness, to almost
> > become immune to it.
>
> That is exactly right, and why we should keep
> posting and (where appropriate) re-threading.

I think quite the opposite. People tire quickly of news. If it's sharp and relevant, they'll stay interested. If you post and repost any old crap, their attention will go somewhere else.

My Facebook timeline is currently such a full on trump-dump that I gloss over it. The lowlight of this week was the video from someone with way too much time on his hands that wrote and recorded a song about the idiot who made the 'Bowling Green Massacre' gaffe. Suffice to say, I didn't watch it. Life's too short for that kind of crap.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Loz 05 February, 2017 21:51

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> I e found it particularly galling to see how
> quickly politicians have fallen in behind Trump
> (especially those on the right). Often politicians
> that generally I respect, or would have expected
> to speak out more. This article puts it well
> [www.theguardian.com]

Here's another interesting one - how the liberal (American usage) tech companies in California, although natively anti-Trump, are finding themselves heading toward a bizarre symbiotic relationship with him.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by jaywalker 06 February, 2017 09:15

Loz Wrote:
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> jaywalker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > rahrahrah Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It is easy, with so much craziness, to almost
> > > become immune to it.
> >
> > That is exactly right, and why we should keep
> > posting and (where appropriate) re-threading.
>
> I think quite the opposite. People tire quickly
> of news. If it's sharp and relevant, they'll stay
> interested. If you post and repost any old crap,
> their attention will go somewhere else.
>
> My Facebook timeline is currently such a full on
> trump-dump that I gloss over it. The lowlight of
> this week was the video from someone with way too
> much time on his hands that wrote and recorded a
> song about the idiot who made the 'Bowling Green
> Massacre' gaffe. Suffice to say, I didn't watch
> it. Life's too short for that kind of crap.

I don't see how that is the "opposite" to my post. Clearly there are two separate questions: to respond in a timely manner to new events (of which there may be many), and how to respond (posting crap or posting not-crap). Posting not-crap is not the same as not posting (either not-crap or crap) when there is something to post about.

I am a little scared by Facebook and other flows - the one that really gets me is the BBC's Have Your Say, which seems to have been over-run by people with extreme views. The 'echo-chamber' effect here is deeply worrying and trying to interrupt it tends to reinforce it (on the whole the EDF doesn't suffer from this, except perhaps with respect to the serial cat killer).

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JohnL 06 February, 2017 10:42

Loz Wrote:
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> jaywalker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > rahrahrah Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > -----
> > > It is easy, with so much craziness, to almost
> > > become immune to it.
> >
> > That is exactly right, and why we should keep
> > posting and (where appropriate) re-threading.
>
> I think quite the opposite. People tire quickly
> of news. If it's sharp and relevant, they'll stay
> interested. If you post and repost any old crap,
> their attention will go somewhere else.
>

Politicians know that smiling smiley

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Jenny1 06 February, 2017 10:59

Precisely. Which is where much of the danger lies.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 06 February, 2017 11:16

People stay interested if stuff is sharp and relevant and get bored and stop reading if crap is posted and reposted ?

Who knew ?

I see that a federal judge is disagreeing with Robart - I can't think how this "works" ? Would it be the case that HS officials working at airports in Mass. turn peoople away ? While their colleagues in other states follow Robart ?


"On Friday, a federal judge in Massachusetts declined to extend a temporary stay against the order issued last week, after expressing scepticism about arguments that the ban represented religious discrimination."
[www.theguardian.com]



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messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Jenny1 06 February, 2017 11:30

Others will have a more detailed and informed view.

But I simply understood it that those implementing the Executive Order, as an innovation, have the onus on them to prove its legality.

So if any serious judgement is made questioning that legality then a full case needs to be heard examining that Executive Order. Until that's done the EO is suspended.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 06 February, 2017 11:37

Thanksz Jenny .That seems logical and understandable .

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Loz 06 February, 2017 16:45

The judge made a temporary order, which I think only lasts 14 days, so it will have to be heard in a full court anyway.

I suspect some of will will hold up and some won't. Parts about religious discrimination seems the most likely to fail as, as far as I can see, it is applying the US constitution to non-Americans not on US soil, which is beyond its reach.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rahrahrah 08 February, 2017 16:26

Read an interesting piece in the FT today [www.ft.com]
For those who aren't subscribed, in (very brief), it points out that Trump couldn't have won the US election without the backing of the Republican party and that Farage didn't bring about Brexit on his own - he relied on the support of Gove and Johnson and it was the result of a long term campaign both in the majority press and from within elements of the Conservative party. Basically, the idea of a rise in 'anti-establishment' populism, ignores the fact that in both cases it was actually the opportunism of nominally establishment politicians that got us where we are.



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