This weekend on Blackheath Common - full details at [www.facebook.com]

From the FB page:

"Concerned about the climate crisis?

Let's turn our ideas, hopes and fears into positive action.
Extinction Rebellion is hosting a two-day festival on Blackheath Common with the aim of bringing our local communities closer together in the face of unprecedented Global climate change.

Join us for creative discourse on climate solutions and training on direct action. You can get your clothes printed with our famous woodblocks, take part in collaborative artwork, hear from notable speakers, dance to live bands, watch engaging performances and more.

Set on Blackheath Common, a historical meeting point of the Suffragettes, Chartists, climate camps and the ‘Great Uprising’ of 1381, we are reclaiming the land and continuing in the tradition of rebellion."



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"...reclaiming the land..."...meanwhile all our neighbours are concreting it over!

You can follow Greta in her boat here

[www.windy.com]

Will there be parking?

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> Will there be parking?


Kind of defeats the objective of reducing our impact on the planet, unless you were being sarcastic 😅

Wonder if there's space to park a boat ?

Is Emma Thompson flying in from LA to support?

JohnL Wrote:
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> You can follow Greta in her boat here
>

Greta Thunberg’s ‘zero-carbon’ yacht trip won’t save ANY emissions as a crew have to fly to New York to sail it back
[www.thesun.co.uk]

Greta's boat is in fact a carbon fibre racing yacht which cost 3.7 million pounds to build, owned by a member of the Monaco royal family. This spoiled, pampered, hysterical European child is sailing to New York in a rich man's toy, rather than appearing by satellite or Skype, presumably to lecture the Indians and the Chinese on why they should not burn coal to give their people a basic standard of living. Somehow I think they will less interested in her views than our politicians with their agenda of green washed taxes.

In reality to address the problem of decarbonising the world economy to avert climate change we will need an intellectual effort on the same scale as putting a man on the moon or building the atom bomb. Nothing is going to change because a few hysterical people think we are all going to die in 10 years, because we all won't.

The Green Movement’s Pigtailed Prophet of Doom
[libertytoday.uk]

THE MANUFACTURING OF GRETA THUNBERG
[www.wrongkindofgreen.org]

bunch fo radicals

Charles Martel Wrote:
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> JohnL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You can follow Greta in her boat here
> >
>
> Greta Thunberg’s ‘zero-carbon’ yacht trip won’t
> save ANY emissions as a crew have to fly to New
> York to sail it back
> [www.thesun.co.uk]
> rgs-carbon-free-yacht-trip-flights/
>
> Greta's boat is in fact a carbon fibre racing
> yacht which cost 3.7 million pounds to build,
> owned by a member of the Monaco royal family.
> This spoiled, pampered, hysterical European child
> is sailing to New York in a rich man's toy, rather
> than appearing by satellite or Skype, presumably
> to lecture the Indians and the Chinese on why they
> should not burn coal to give their people a basic
> standard of living. Somehow I think they will
> less interested in her views than our politicians
> with their agenda of green washed taxes.
>
> In reality to address the problem of decarbonising
> the world economy to avert climate change we will
> need an intellectual effort on the same scale as
> putting a man on the moon or building the atom
> bomb. Nothing is going to change because a few
> hysterical people think we are all going to die in
> 10 years, because we all won't.
>
> The Green Movement’s Pigtailed Prophet of Doom
> [libertytoday.uk]
> ents-pigtailed-prophet-of-doom/
>
> THE MANUFACTURING OF GRETA THUNBERG
> [www.wrongkindofgreen.org]
> ufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-polit
> ical-economy-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/


Monumental trolling.

Means to an end, doesn't matter about her flaws. Loads of pampered middle class children marched past my office. Middle class pampered kids. Means to an end. Bump it up the agenda, raise the profile. Who cares about their flaws.

Net zero is written into our statute. CCC will bring it forward. Parties will fight general elections over it. We will have to change. Bring it on.

Chinese and Indians are 2nd and 6th largest economies in the world. Improving the standard of living is nothing to do with burning coal (by all means have a pop at Germany and Poland). Sod the anti-green wash. Sod Trump. Sod Bolsonaro

malumbu Wrote:
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> Means to an end, doesn't matter about her flaws.
> Loads of pampered middle class children marched
> past my office. Middle class pampered kids.
> Means to an end. Bump it up the agenda, raise the
> profile. Who cares about their flaws.

What end is this supposed to be a means to? Do you really want to live in the society proposed by Extinction Rebellion? Sincere though they may be they have no solution except to collapse the economy.

The problem with trying to weaponize female hysteria is that female hysteria is not a very good weapon.

The world needs complicated scientific and technical solutions to a vast range of problems to solve climate change. Nothing is going to come from PR stunts featuring a teenage girl and a sail boat.

> Net zero is written into our statute. CCC will
> bring it forward. Parties will fight general
> elections over it. We will have to change. Bring
> it on.

Really? If you empower our politicians their only answer is green taxes. How well has that gone for Macron in France? How stupid do you have to be to believe any of our politicians can solve any real problem? Southwark council declared a climate emergency. LOL!! Southwark council cannot empty my dustbin reliably, but I am supposed to take what they say on climate change seriously? Why? What relevant expertise does anyone working for Southwark council have?

> Chinese and Indians are 2nd and 6th largest
> economies in the world. Improving the standard of
> living is nothing to do with burning coal (by all

Do your own research. Both China and India currently still rely heavily on coal for electrical generation. However because renewables are an actual solution, both countries are increasing their use, but are nowhere near being able to stop using carbon overnight just because Greta thinks it would be a good idea.

> means have a pop at Germany and Poland). Sod the
> anti-green wash. Sod Trump. Sod Bolsonaro

Trump and Bolsonaro are both reactions to the failure of those that oppose them to provide credible alternatives. The fact that they are in power shows the danger of not having actual solutions to real problems.

If you're really not just trolling what suggestions have you for any of these issues?

So how do we put out the fires in the Amazon ?

Southwark council declared a climate emergency. LOL!! Southwark council cannot empty my dustbin <<<<< Truth to (alleged) power!

The fires that were started naturally by lightning?

"99% percent of the fires result from human actions"

[edition.cnn.com]


Even Bolsonaro says it's insurgents from abroad. More importantly It's also supposed to be a rain forest and should be naturally too humid for fires but the environment is changing.

She's raising the profile of the environment. They are raising the profile of the environment. Us humans need to change - the rich west expecting the developing countries to not develop is a separate issue, and we start in our own back yard. But on the rapidly developing (or developed) countries India and China have the technical capabilities to be leaders in environmental/alternative/sustainable technology. Or shall we just ignore it and it will go away. None of this is the barmy Jenny Jones view of controlled recession and return to growing our own flax and weaving our own linen.

And the personal attack on Thunberg was unnecessary.

Why doesn't anyone ever mention the 'P' word?- You know Population...it seems that nothing must ever interfere with the human right to procreate as much as possible....to quote Monty Python...'every sperm is sacred...'

I think that that is part of us taking responsibility. Birth rate is fairly stable in Western Europe and once we get over a bulge as we live longer that shouldn't provide too much pressure. But big families are still common in other cultures/countries/religions but then again population control takes us back in history to some pretty authoritarian governments. And fratricide. And the nation of spoiled only child Chinese families. Factual observations not opinions!

malumbu Wrote:
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> She's raising the profile of the environment.
> They are raising the profile of the environment.
> Us humans need to change - the rich west expecting
> the developing countries to not develop is a
> separate issue, and we start in our own back yard.
> But on the rapidly developing (or developed)
> countries India and China have the technical
> capabilities to be leaders in
> environmental/alternative/sustainable technology.
> Or shall we just ignore it and it will go away.
> None of this is the barmy Jenny Jones view of
> controlled recession and return to growing our own
> flax and weaving our own linen.

Why suddenly pick on Jenny Jones who, as far as is known, hasn't advocated any of those things has she?

CAR FREE - Day Soon - September
[www.london.gov.uk]



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This really has to stop.
It may well need a miracle of science, but while waiting for that remember consumers hold the power. If YOU want to see a change, choose carefully what you buy and how you live.

What do think of CAR FREE Day ??

Jenny Jones campaigned to leave Europe as (1) the EU is responsible for much of the environmental mess - support to agro business, monocultures, inefficient farming etc (2) who it treats the developing world (3) neoliberalism and supporting economic growth.

As with Lexit there are some good points here. The idea of a controlled recession and return to more sustainable production is a more difficult one.

But I see the EU as generally a force for the environment irrespective of how clumsy, bureaucratic, and heavy handed it can be.

Separately I like car free days irrespective of tokenism. I liked the reclaim the streets. Just an old punk at the end of the day.

Thats different to what you accused her of above.

Regards ro population you should read this book ... factfulness ..why things are better than you think .. the world population will reach its peak soon then drop (as developing countries move up the economic scale) . It's a really interesting book

Greta Thunberg's triumphant arrival in New York. The landing is about 30 minutes from the end.
[www.youtube.com]

cella Wrote:
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> If you're really not just trolling what
> suggestions have you for any of these issues?

No I am not trolling. Being critical of an obviously poorly thought through publicity stunt is not trolling.

There are legitimate criticisms of the way that climate change is being discussed by Greta, Extinction Rebellion, George Monbiot et al. When faced with a very complex set of scientific, technical, economic and social problems I do not think " I vant you to panic" is a worthwhile thing to say. It is hysterical nonsense. Problems need solutions. Solutions that will come from people who actual work to solve the problems. Not from people who want to use the problems to push their Pol Pot year zero fantasy of a return to some kind of pre-industrial idyll.

We need people who raise people's awareness too and a lot of this is falling to young people at the moment. She and they are not cynical and share an optimism that things can change if enough people take responsibility and engage in direct action. Young people wouldn't know or identify with what a Pol Pot fantasy is and would rather forge a new path as it's their futures that are at stake.

I've been to Cambodia. Please do not compare pol pot to any climate change agenda . Whatever your thoughts on Greta she is doing a hell lot more than us to raise the agenda and talk about it . Fair play