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messageSouthwark Parks restricted access
Posted by krustyloaf March 22, 03:50PM

Southwark have finally done the right thing and announced that any parks, park cafes, play parks, tennis courts etc that can be locked, will be locked.

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Posted by taper March 22, 04:11PM

It doesnít say that. It says that areas within parks that can be locked will be locked. Playgrounds, skate parks etc. Looks like parks will remain open for the moment.

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Posted by Jules-and-Boo March 22, 04:29PM

Some parks cannot be locked, Peckham Rye being one, Clapham Common...

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Posted by krustyloaf March 22, 04:32PM

Amended. Apologies, Iíve seen a few conflicting messages on Twitter, plus ca change!!

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Posted by malumbu March 22, 04:32PM

I'm trying to find out what the government said about exercise. I'm sure I remember either encouraging it, or not discouraging it (and those who are isolating can exercise around the house and garden). Useful to get some factual information about our open spaces. But please refrain from commenting about the rights and wrongs 'done the right thing'. Let the authorities decide on this.

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Posted by krustyloaf March 22, 04:40PM

If youíd seen how busy the park has been this weekend you wouldnít be questioning it. No social distancing at all. And the Local Authority has decided.

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Posted by lindylou March 22, 04:44PM

The lunatics have taken over the asylum big time.

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Posted by GardenPlanters March 22, 05:07PM

Excellent news. Very simple people donít know how to behave because weíre such a self entitled society
This action will save more lives.

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Posted by James Barber March 22, 05:50PM

Hi malibu,
The chief scientist said to still exercise but only while still social distancing.

Council leader tweeted -

Those playgrounds and spaces in @lb_southwark
parks which can be locked will be locked and not re-opened after tonight. Park cafes will also be closed completely.
STAY HOME unless itís absolutely necessary to go out. Your choice could be the difference between life & death.

He probably should have stated lockable parks are locked shut until further notice. It does not help that central government are failing to lock London down as avoidable deaths are likely when hospitals overflow from contacts from this weekend and last week come home to roost.

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messageRe: Southwark Parks restricted access
Posted by ennikat March 22, 07:55PM

This worries me. We went to the park at 8.15 this morning and managed to stay away from people. I got my 3 & 5 year olds playing football on an empty tennis court. Why lock the parks? Limit no.s, and social distance, but people have to exercise. Iíve already heard some devastating stories about how isolation is impacting mental health. Forcing people to only exercise on the street or the limited areas that canít be locked like Peckham Rye will just force people to be closer.

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Posted by tiddles March 22, 07:59PM

Today I walked my dog in the park. Lots of people out and about but avoiding each other -I would say a good 3 metres apart.

will continue in this manner until we are instructed otherwise.

handwashing at every opportunity and working from home (luckeily in a position to do so.

messageRe: Southwark Parks restricted access
Posted by siousxiesue March 22, 08:09PM

Italy and Spain are watching us with horror. They know only total isolation will get this thing under control!

Why are we so intent on not listening? I was totally freaked out by the number of people yesterday not avoiding me that I walked in the road, and have stayed in today.

The last 2 posts are obviously doing the right thing, but we are only as strong as the weakest link, and boy are there a tonne of them around!



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Posted by Inkmaiden March 22, 08:11PM

Could it also be the case that because of the ever present rumours that London will be locked down, it caused a rush on the parks and open spaces similar to the panic buying at the supermarket? And that this will calm down if people still have access to open spaces? It would be hugely detrimental for people living in flats without any outside space to lock the parks completely.

The majority of the people I saw in the park were practising social distancing(absolutely no signs up anywhere from the council with guidance or information, which would probably be helpful) and itís a good idea to close the cafes and playgrounds.

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Posted by chris1001uk March 22, 08:18PM

The point is, as devastating as poor mental health issues are , if we don't start practicing advised social distancing many more people will die. I saw 2 girl friends hugging today, couples with other couples strolling along very close together etc etc. All intelligent looking people acting like complete and utter selfish numpties. Transmission of this virus comes from cough or sneezing droplets, which is easier to avoid and easier to spot, the danger comes from the unknown symptomless transmission. Don't be thick, keep your distance. Take care too.

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Posted by Blah Blah March 22, 09:57PM

The reality is that not enough people are taking this seriously enough, and government and local authorities have no other option than to force compliance. There is no other way to beat a virus for which we have neither effective treatment nor vaccine.

On mental health. This is going to be a real challenge on so many levels for many people.

There are still lots of things people can do without congregating in groups for fresh air and exercise. And the internet is going also to be a lifeline for lots of people. We have to help each other to find ways to get through it.

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Posted by dbboy March 22, 10:13PM

22/03, Number of reported UK covid 19 infections, 5683
22/03, Number of UK covid 19 deaths, 281

% of UK covid 19 deaths, 4.944% and gradually rising, tomorrow its likely to be in excess of 5%, i.e. 5 in every 100 infected people have died.



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messageRe: Southwark Parks restricted access
Posted by girlelectric March 22, 10:25PM

People really should only be using the park for walking/running and not in groups. Everyone would hate an Italy style lockdown but if people continue to congregate in parks as replacement for the pub/cafe, then we'll get a lockdown.

The UK was blessed with the most sunniest weather this weekend, which coincided with our first weekend of social distancing. This is going to be a massive shitter for those UK Coronavirus stats in the next few days.

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Posted by first mate March 23, 07:24AM

Iíd like to hear from some of those out and about mixing and socialising and not practising social distancing yesterday to try to understand their thought processes. How do they justify or explain their behaviour?

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Posted by James Barber March 23, 08:28AM

Hi ddboy,
AS UK is not avidly testing we don't know the exact percentage but those under 50 yo 2% Imperial College have said will need hospital treatment and overall mortality rate is believe to be around 1% - still humongous. Those over 70 mortality rate of those infected is much higher as Imperial
But of course 2% of a huge population would flood and overwhelm any health system. UK government should be sharing forecasts based on current behaviours daily to drive home the message. And perhaps it should be physical distancing rather than social distancing which really hasn't been an effective message.

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Posted by Penguin68 March 23, 09:14AM

22/03, Number of reported UK covid 19 infections, 5683
22/03, Number of UK covid 19 deaths, 281

% of UK covid 19 deaths, 4.944% and gradually rising, tomorrow its likely to be in excess of 5%, i.e. 5 in every 100 infected people have died.


No - this is simply wrong - the only people being tested at the moment, because of kit shortages, are those admitted to hospital and a few who are still at home but whose acute symptoms have continued for over a week. These are estimated to be about 10% of all actual cases (based on other countries' experiences)- so the UK infection rate is likely to be about 57,000 - with a death rate on that basis of around 0.5% - still dreadful of course, but not as dreadful.

And as for the Southwark 'peak' - deaths are being registered for these statistics where they occur, I imagine - Southwark has a very important hospital in Kings and it is quite likely (I have no figures for this, but it's a reasonable assumption) that people are dying in Kings who aren't Southwark residents. So the actual Southwark figures may be less (other boroughs with high rates are also hosts to key hospitals, I have noticed).

Until we have good statistics (which we don't at the moment, except for deaths) I wouldn't get too bogged down in the numbers - what we do know is that proper social isolation will reduce both infections and deaths, and that's what we should be focused on.

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Posted by RichH March 23, 09:30AM

Penguin68 Wrote:
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> And as for the Southwark 'peak' - deaths are being
> registered for these statistics where they occur,
> I imagine - Southwark has a very important
> hospital in Kings and it is quite likely (I have
> no figures for this, but it's a reasonable
> assumption) that people are dying in Kings who
> aren't Southwark residents. So the actual
> Southwark figures may be less (other boroughs with
> high rates are also hosts to key hospitals, I have
> noticed).

Kings is in Lambeth, not Southwark.

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Posted by first mate March 23, 09:35AM

Kings serves lambeth, bromley and southwark but I thought it was physically based in Camberwell, LBO Southwark?

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Posted by Blah Blah March 23, 09:44AM

Can I just correct one point above Admin,because it is important.

Penguin, all mortality rates for infectious illness are calculated from known cases, and those namely presenting for treatment. The 0.1 percent mortality rate for flu is calculated in exactly the same way. COVID is at least 30 times more deadly that that. The mortality rate at present is showing as anywhere between 3 and 7 per cent. When compared to recovered cases only, it is getting up to 9 per cent. Not out of line with SARS CoV 1 that had a mortality rate of 10 per cent. It is really important to not downplay the figures because of the number of unknown cases. That is not how mortality rates are calculated.

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Posted by dresswaves March 23, 11:13AM

first mate Wrote:
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> Kings serves lambeth, bromley and southwark but I
> thought it was physically based in Camberwell, LBO
> Southwark?


Kings is in Lambeth. The Maudsley is in Southwark. Boundary runs down Denmark Hill

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Posted by first mate March 23, 12:03PM

Thanks for clarification.

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Posted by Renata Hamvas March 23, 02:33PM

The only group where everyone was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Cruise passengers are typically likely to be older and be therefore more likely to have underlying health problems that then general population. The Diamond Princess had about a 1% fatality rate. The UK rate is a massive underestimate of infected individuals as currently testing is only being done on hospital admissions. I know of 9 likely affected people, none of them have been tested.
Renata

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Posted by AllisonAdler March 23, 04:06PM

It is easy to panic about contagion because we can't see it. It is even easier to gloss over mental health issues because we can't, for the most part, see them. However, one aspect of science has been uniformly clear: mental health is crucial for immunity. Calling for total isolation and draconian measures to keep healthy people indoors, and other such things, are understandable responses to fear, but we must counter these expressions of anxiety with rational behaviour.

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Posted by intexasatthe moment March 23, 04:39PM

This is an interesting look at the Diamond Princess cases .

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I have no idea how much ,if any ,credence can be given to it .

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Posted by Blah Blah March 23, 05:35PM

I completely agree Alison and mental health is going to be a challenge over the coming months. This is why I think government should have a think about internet access for those who don't have it. There are now 4G and 5G modems that require no cables (plug and play). It won't be the answer for everyone, but getting as many people online as possible would be a huge help in sharing mental health treatment and solutions.

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