Sean, the reason I started thia thread was because earlier in the suggestion thread HonaloochieB mentioned the amazing Stephen Fry. It brought to mind his documentry: The secret life of the manic depressive. Zeban, I find your remarks offensive, you insult me and say it's a "joke" so that is alright then, and makes it acceptable? My thread wasn't a "joke" or extracting the urine, and you have no idea of manic/biploar illness. I don't make like or fun of mental illness, I have had vast experience with mental illness of all kinds. I don't need to be tarred and feathered for trying to help someone this stressful time of year. No references were made about the McCan thread, as this is not relevant to it, and if it was it would have been posted on the McCan thread, it is a stand-alone thread so do not put words into my mouth.