I don't think it's especially off message as the tenor of the thread wasn't really to do with swimming sessions but with gender discrimination. I think your sample set of 2 is a little narrow in highlighting whatever it is you're trying to highlight however. I know two of my friends who have wanted to be the most supportive fathers they can but have had access to their children blocked simply because the ex-partners could do it, and they were spiteful, hurtful harridans, but I don't let this colour my opinion of the millions upon millions of brilliant mums there are in this world (of which we have many shining examples on our own dear forum). Yes of course there is plenty to be done regarding gender inequality, but as this thread was about reverse gender discrimination, it strikes me that you are doing your best to foster this sort of behaviour, tarring all men with some sort of selfish-laziness feather (taken from a dodo, damnably lazy birds who got their comeuppance) and hardly contributing anything positive or useful to the debate. Aaaanyway, back to swimming....sploosh And for the record I'm lovely, got any washing up you need doing ;)