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612 now *Bob* !

macroban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Iceland and betting shops go in the green circle. I was tempted to put them in - but this is a scientific study of Marmora Man! > How do you do that? Cheers! It's pretty simple, using a web graphics program called Fireworks

too much time on my hands today:

It is a nanny state in the sense that they keep reminding us that we shouldn't eat, smoke and drink ourselves to death, so he's right. Unfortunately a large number of us insist on eating, smoking and drinking ourselves to death, and it costs the state a fortune to keep us alive in the face of our hedonistic mania. So naturally, the state encourages us to alter our behaviour. Personally, I think nanny should use a firmer hand.

'no children' is the other one

nutty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do you know what grounds they are rejecting it on? > In my experience bikers currently use all bus > lanes anyhow with no issues (except those with > cameras :)) Apparently, tfl think it's a bad idea to encourage more petrol engines in London, so Ken's going to shelve the plan. there's an article (nb by a motorcycle journo) about it here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/01/26/mflane126.xml conflicting opinions about the success of the trials - there are apparently a load of stats that say the trial was good for all concerned, but some are saying the results were influenced by motorcyclists' groups. An interesting comment below the article reads: "This report is nonsense and seriously understates the effect and danger of more motorcycles in bus lanes. They have excluded the results of the A13 study because that showed a major impact on cycle use - a fall of over 80%. It is hard to get valid statistics because it is mainly when the main lanes get blocked that m/cs switch to the bus lane. The analysis needs to concentrate on the congested times and sections of road. What happenend on the A13 was that extra congestion from road works meant that 75% of m/cs moved into the cycle lane, forcing cyclists out of it. This data comes from the first statistical study of the trials, a study that was suppressed to please the motorcycle lobby. The study also showed motorcycles exceeding the the speed limit by an average of 20% on these routes. Other research has shown motorcycles to be five times more likely to kill or injure pedestrians and cyclists than are cars. We cannot afford to entice more motorcycles into London or other cities by allowing them into bus lanes."

Rolo Tomasi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Stephen Lynch > > Best Friends Song > What if that guy from smashing pumpkins lost his > car keys? > Vanilla Ice Cream very good!

kford Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TfL agrees that bikers can share some bus lanes. > We're not all couriers! (I cycle too) afaik there was a trial of this in a couple of areas, and it looks like they're going to reject the expansion of the sharing system. And the trial was definitely not on any road I take to work (I ride motorbikes too).

I was enjoying that safespeed.org site - they seem to think they're a super race of advanced drivers who must be allowed to decide for themselves what speed they roll at. And bikers on the moral highground wtf??? If any of them could keep out of the bus lanes, cycle lanes and advance cycle areas it would be cause for celebration. But obviously, over on the biker forums, they've long ago concluded that they don't like those rules much either.

> And his figure about speed being the biggest cause > are incorrect. DfT suggests a figure of 5%. from the dft website (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/speedmanagement/speedknowyourlimits): There exists no precise figure for the contribution speed makes to causing the collisions, but analysis of casualty statistics in Great Britain has shown excessive speed to be a contributory factor in 12% of all injury collisions, 18% where there is a serious injury and 28% of all collisions which result in a fatality.

lozzyloz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think chickens might be female. Clue: Egg. haha I though some pedant might mention that

>I have a white one, creamy one, a brown one and a black one McNulty, Kima, Carver & Daniels?

http://sjhoward.co.uk/medicine2/speed-cameras-an-appropriate-public-health-protection-measure "Arguments about unfairness in speed camera prosecutions, leading to apparently ?safe? drivers being caught while ?dangerous? ones get away (13) can largely be refuted by evidence which shows (14) that those caught by a speed camera had twice the chance of being involved in a recent crash over the general population, as well as the bare fact that only those caught actually breaking the law are prosecuted."

maybe we could get them to touch up that mural when they're done with Foxtons.

I think Louisa may be involved: http://www.myspace.com/fkfoxtons "It is time to take back control of our lives. Instead of some posh b**tards gentrifying the area for their own pocket, it is time we took control of the development of OUR areas and focused on affordable housing, so all of us struggling at the bottom can better our lives and communities and build a spirit of class solidarity and power."

> http://www.safespeed.org.uk/trl595.html), but > that's another story. That interpretation by 'safespeed.org' (looks like another mouthpiece for petrolhead lunatics to me) of selective data concerning "injury crash risk for Gatso type cameras in motorway road works" isn't remotely similar to Barry Road. A quick google search on the effectiveness of speed cameras brings up data from plenty of other independent organisations: Here's the first link I clicked on: http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/speed_lawenf.html Institute studies show that automated speed enforcement can substantially reduce speeding on a wide range of roadway types. Six months after implementation of speed cameras on residential streets and school zones in Montgomery County, Maryland in 2007, the proportion of drivers exceeding speed limits by more than 10 mph declined by about 70 percent. Implementation of a 9-month pilot program using fixed speed cameras on a busy urban freeway in Scottsdale, Arizona, in 2006 was associated with up to a 95 percent decrease in the odds that drivers would travel more than 10 mph above the posted 65 mph speed limit.9 And, within 6 months of the implementation of speed cameras on streets throughout the District of Columbia in 2001, the proportion of vehicles exceeding the speed limit by more than 10 mph declined 82 percent.10 Research conducted outside the United States also shows large effects of speed cameras on traffic speeds. For example, in Victoria, Australia, speed cameras were introduced in late 1989, and police reported that within 3 months the number of offenders triggering photo radar decreased 50 percent.11 The percentage of vehicles significantly exceeding the speed limit decreased from about 20 percent in 1990 to fewer than 4 percent in 1994.

I live near the Underhill / Barry Rd junction, and motorised vehicles are always bombing down it. I've been tailgated and overtaken when I've been driving at 30mph on Barry Rd. I fully support speed cameras for this road.

lozzyloz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A bald Norwegian jazz musician called Bugge > Wesseltoft You reminded me of a bald Norwegian REM-ish bloke: William Hut

This will be huge when some 'advertising creative' sticks it on an advert: The Beauty Shop

MelbourneGr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Talk about biased selections. biased in favour of what? They're all just opinions

Bowie's been my favourite artist since I was about fourteen, though personally, I hate everything after 1983 (with the slight exception of the song Absolute Beginners). Still, he made about a dozen of my favourite albums, and no other artist can come close to that - my top ten: Diamond Dogs Hunky Dory Station to Station Low Heroes Lodger Young Americans Ziggy Stardust David Bowie Man Who Sold The World

If it remains a pub, child-friendliness & gastroburgers beckon - so get in there and enjoy your child-free beer while you still can.

macroban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I thought the subject of this thread was the > Spurling Road mural. oops maybe - does that mean the Vision of Angels mural is still there? I hope so.

From http://www.stanpeskett.com/archive/html/angel.html The Guy, painter and muralist with over thirty years international experience, created a mural for the Dulwich Festival 1993 with the help of local school children, adults with learning difficulties and other community volunteers. The creation of the mural aimed to unite all the local Dulwich community and to provide a showcase for local talent. "The only memorial to Blake in London at present is a mural by the painter The Guy, a supporter of Heath's project (the House of William Blake). As a child, Blake had a vision of angels playing in the branches of a tree on Peckham Rye with an Arcadian sunset bursting behind them. The Guy was commissioned by the organiser of last year's Dulwich Festival to create a mural on the side of a Peckham house based on the vision." "Blake developed a universal language, one which multi-media artists can understand", The Guy says. "He could be the start of a spiritual revival among artists. He is a revolutionary spirit, and that's what we want to capture". THE TIMES, THURSDAY 12 MAY 1994 "William Blake's Vision of Angels", interpreted by The Guy, is being painted on a wall behind the playground at Goose Green, SE 15 at the junction of East Dulwich Road and Adys Road. Behind the brushes: children from 12 local schools, adults with learning difficulties and members of the community." HARPERS AND QUEEN "BAROMETER" October 1993 http://www.stanpeskett.com/archive/pics/aftblake.jpg

ok, wasn't me, but still... **edit - pic got mangled - ascii art**