Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So if it's OK for cyclists to cautiously go over > red lights on pedestrian crossings when nobody is > about... it's OK for me to do the same in my car, > yes? It's not 'OK' for anyone to break the rules, but at the same time, we cannot entirely ignore context. There is a difference between a one and a half ton car jumping a red light, without slowing, in rush hour traffic say, and a bike cautiously and slowly crossing a quiet street (and vice versa). That's not to say either are strictly 'right', but clearly there is a massive difference in terms of degree of recklessness. I don't generally see lot's a accidents caused by dangerous cycling and the statistics suggest that it is not common place either. Fundamentally, the capacity for a light weight bike and a 1 and a half ton car to cause carnage are not the same. So whilst I don't condone cyclists breaking the rules anymore than I would anyone else - what is clear is that bikes are a relatively benign form of transport. They do, despite this however, seem to come in for a disproportionate amount of criticism.