EDOldie

https://anticlondon.com/ Antic Pubs

Well, this is the delightful parent company. https://www.eigroupplc.com/en/index.html As you can see a proper Pubco with about four and a half thousand 'pubs'. The complete antithesis of what a local pub is and should be. It?s phoney, false and designed to fleece you rather than provide any sort of local amenity. So, another bland pub to join the ranks of the Dog, the Plough, sadly now the Cherry Tree as well. The EDT may be part of a group, but they do have local small brewers on tap and do make a real effort to be a local boozer. It?s my pub of choice now within walking distance of home and the foods good too.

I seem to vaguely remember Franklin's being an off licence once. Is that right?

Pugwash Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I remember the mini golf by the lake in Dulwich > Park. I remember it well, was hoping they'd reinstate it when they did all that work there. Mind you if this doesn't put you off the plan for Peckham Rye I don't suppose anything will http://www.minigolf.org.uk/cms/index.php

That's exactly part of the problem seenbeen of the design of the new junction. The old junction gave Court Lane the right of way but that was changed to Calton Avenue. Coming the other way, from the Village to Calton Ave/Court Lane, it is immediately apparent who has the right of way. The yellow box has done something to solve this but as you say is open to abuse. I've also seen traffic approaching the junction from Calton towards the Village speed up considerably to make the lights knowing that Court Lane has to now give way to them. There's clearly a knock on effect from other roadworks and road closures in the area but this junction just goes to prove that remote politicians stuck in their ivory tower in Tooley Street should not design road junctions in areas they know little about. They should leave it to the locals who use these roads and pavements everyday. Also just mention that since the introduction of the CPZ in Village Way that seem to have turned into a racetrack! I can't believe the speed cars and lorries are flying down there now that no one is parked there.

It's not just the tailbacks up Woodwarde, which are getting huge as drivers realise that if coming down Court Lane they have to give way to traffic coming along Calton so divert along Woodwarde. It's also the junction itself which is adding to the chaos every morning. The phasing of the lights is such that traffic coming from Turney Road moves off before traffic opposite from Calton Avenue can move as the light is still red for a few seconds. As far I can see the lights both go red again at the same time. The result is that any traffic coming from Calton which needs to turn right into Dulwich Village towards North Dulwich gets stuck across the middle of the road. The problem is further compounded by the Dulwich Village (north, south direction)turning green almost immediately the Calton/Turney lights turn red! A simple solution would be a green filter right from Calton Avenue into the Village. As there is on the junction with East Dulwich Grove and Red Post Hill and the junction of East Dulwich Grove with Townley Road. It only needs to be on in the morning the rest of the day it's fine. As a regular user, mainly pedestrian but also car and cycle. It's very rarely indeed that I see any cyclist actually use the cycles lanes as it is often quicker to go through (or ignore) the traffic lights.

DulwichFox Wrote: > I used the Palmy for many many years before the > Owner Reg decided to turn it into a Restaurant. > > The Long term much loved Tenant Landlord Keith (No > longer with us) and his two boys were evicted. > People lost their jobs too. A much loved busy > local Pub was lost to make way for an expensive > eatery for the wealthier residents of East Dulwich > and turists. > > > So NO its NOT just about me. > > > DulwichFox. Yes, but it wasn't making any money, I've used the pub since my teens and in the eighties and nineties things were changing. More people were drinking at home and the pubs had to evolve. If Reg was anything he was very foresighted and saw the writing on the wall. The Palmeston, along with Franklins, really paved the way for the Lordship Lane we know today.

Zebedee Tring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Assuming that the tenant actually wanted a new > lease, surely it would be possible for to serve a > counter notice under the business tenancy > provisions of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1954 (or > whatever is the current legislation) requesting a > new tenancy. The landlord can't just evict a > business tenant willy nilly and would have to have > specific grounds to do so. I think that Jamie and his pal (Freeholders) do own the freehold but I'm guessing there is also a long lease to Enterprise Inns (Leaseholders) and a thirty year sub lease to the restaurant (Tenant). The leaseholders could oppose the granting of a new lease to the tenants on the basis that they need the premises for their own use. There are a pub company so it can't really be opposed by the tenant. So it's goodbye much loved and valued local restaurant and pub, albeit with not very good beer in it but probably not the fault of the pub as they may be tied in to buying beer from the leaseholders, and hello to another pubco in Lordship Lane. In France they have laws against this sort of thing but I expect the authorities are powerless to anything about it.

The Commercial (although resembling a wind tunnel at times) is run by the same company as the Dog, has exactly the same beers but is a much nicer pub than the Dog. The Dog got off to a bad start and never seems to recover from it. I don't think that anyone in the company really cares because of their monopoly position in Dulwich Village and effective captive market. It's been my local for over 40 years and this is definitely the worst incarnation I've known, and there have been a few.

I'd be interested in joining. Make me pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday. Hmmm, I think I might be onto something here. Anyone taken it any further?

I'm sure it was another restaurant or wine bar before Flashmans but can't remember the name. The original Flashmans was smaller and they built the wrap around extension at the front. Nice guy ran it, Graham? Anyway me and MrsOldie popped in the other day to give it a go and we were a bit underwhelmed. The beer wasn't great and the place looked like it could do with a good clean. I'm very glad it's there mind and I'll definitely go back. Maybe I just had a flat pint.

A worrying development in another part of London. ED next? https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-information/improvements-and-projects/cycle-mini-hollands

Years ago there was a Zebra crossing between the Grove and Cox's Walk. Couldn't see it working today with the very high levels of traffic there. It desperately needs a proper crossing.

Look, I don't want to be a Dutch uncle, but I think that's a bit off the subject (brilliant though it is)

I don't get this post at all, it's all double dutch to me.

Amanda1979 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The pitch has been mowed... no idea if this is of > significance but hopefully it means someone is > being bought in to look after it? Looks like it's been watered as well. I've been dying to say it was looking like a meadow.

Try Dulwich Village post office

I've always quite liked Sydenham and there are some very good bars and restaurants there. Mrs Oldie and I got a 176 to the (fairly) newly opened Greyhound on the site of the original Greyhound. Staff were lovely and the food and drink was very good we thought. Also the transport conections are excellent. It may not be ED yet but it won't be far behind I'm sure given a bit more time. Also very good family Italian there Trattoria Raffaele. Not far from the notorious Golden Lion, was it Old Bill??

There's been a pub on that site (previously the Green Man) for hundreds of years. It's clearly seen on Roques map of London. These sites are very important as reference points to our community history. It's also where I started drinking as I'm sure many other locals did.

SpringTime Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you're a remainer (I'm not but most of you on > the EDF are of course) then I'd say this is a very > good thing. Feels like where we finally need to be > after a crazily simplistic vote. Yes or no, > imagine the arrogance of that stupid man Cameron, > who thought he had it in the bag so much as to > guarantee himself a win on a referendum that would > put the issue to bed forever. He didn't half read > the people wrong.... > > EDOdlie says both the main parties appear to have > very similar views on Brexit, but I don't think > this is right. And I don't think that there's > internal consistency on both sides either* So if > the Commons are to influence the final > negotiations (which sound very complicated!) > surely this is a chance for democracy to prove > itself? > > *Please say how this might be "remedied" Cameron had no choice but to call a referendum. His whole election campaign was based on that promise and he had no choice but to resign when it didn't go his way. The Labour Party & the Conservative party want us to leave it seems to me, neither has said that they wouldn't. It also sems to me that if we don't leave the single market and the customs union we are not really leavimg. The only parties that have actively campaigned to remain are the Greens and the Lib Dems. So it seems entirely logical that if you want to stay in the EU you should vote either Green or Lib Dem. Am I missing something?

Thewy both want to leave the EU though? It's only the Lib Dims who are fighting to stay in. Perhaps we all ought to vote for them?

We need to vote on local issues. Both the main parties appear to have very similar views on Brexit as far as I can see.

Well I for one thought it was very good. Helen Hayes made a strong and impassioned speech with good support from her own benches. The Minister for Sport knows the club (she saw games there when she lived in Herne Hill) and was very supportive and my understanding was that unless Southwark, the Club and the developers could sort it out she would appoint someone to do it. Well done Helen Hayes for bringing it to such national attention. I'm not making any political point at all but we appear to have a first class constituency MP.

She's on

Thanks Amanda.