LadyDeliah

It's burdensome for no good reason. If you think otherwise, lets have a breakdown of why and how it would actually operate. I have 4 bikes. Two hybrids, a racer and an old mountain bike. My 14 year old had a bmx from the age of 5 and now has a hybrid. My other daughter aged 21 has a hybrid. I use mine daily and switch depending on the weather and if one or the other needs fixing. My 14 year old uses hers approximately twice a week to get to and from school and my 21 year old uses hers about once or twice a month. Occasionally my housemate hops on one or other of the available bikes, as has my brother and son. So I'd be interested in how you think the insurance of cycling for me and others would be administered.

How many accidents involving cyclists resulted in them damaging other people's property or person?

Loz, I think it did and that was why they had to stop using them. I know their legality was challenged, but can't remember on what grounds.

Ted, these guys don't represent all cyclists thanks very much! In fact any real cyclist would take their lock with them cos they tend to visit more than one place a week.

Prevalance & extent of damage and therefore costs against the person causing the damage = extent of need for compulsory insurance. E.g tens of thousands of deaths plus damage to person & property by cars per year = need for compulsory insurance. Partaking in boxing and martial arts = usually needs compulsory insurance. Walking = no need for insurance Running = no need for insurance Cycling = no need for insurance Roller skating = no need for insurance. Damage to anyone or anything that happens relatively infrequently and therefore doesn't fall under actions which require compulsory insurance would have remedies in criminal injury compensation or personal injury etc.

Loz Wrote: ... > > Equally, given the increased number of cyclists on > the roads, there is no excuse for them not to > carry insurance. Registration would increase > safety all round, as any road law transgressions > and accidents would be able to identify the person > involved. Insurance for what Loz? Cars need to be insured because the damage they cause when they hit someone/something else is unlikely to be able to be paid for by the errant car driver. What damage are cyclists likely to cause that would require compulsory insurance?

Spark67, I agree with your post, but what annoyed me about the OP was the sense of having a manifest right to leave their lock on someone elses' property and expect compensation for the cost of the lock when the owner of the property removed it. I was pretty dumbfounded by the blatant cheek of it and tried to explain in a roundabout way, that not only did they not have a right to do this, but their actions could technically amount to a criminal offence. And another piss taker complaining about the same thing after she'd been offered 50% reduction in her gym fees! WTF I'm possibly getting wound up by something inconsquential, but people like that make me want to give them a good hard slap.

No not a joke. Can't believe they had the temerity to complain. I'm shocked they got offered 50% off their gym membership, they should have been charged for the cost of removing them.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Awww, really? > I for one thought this was your finest hour > Louisa. > > I think the main problem is you have legitimate > concerns but you conflate them with your anti > middle class prejudice and your deep-seated > conservatism (with a small c), and your reasoning > just gets messy from then on. > > From a pure entertainment point of view it was > world class!!! Bloody hell, are you some kind of masochist? Don't encourage her!

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > People who miss completely the point of a thread Lol

Not controversial or argumentative enough Louisa. C'mon, you can do better than that.

Sorry, only those with irrational fears qualify :-(

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lady D - Did your pie and mash come with scurvy > and rickets, or did you have to order those > separately? Nah, I only had enough money for the basics. Scurvy was extra.

My roots are working class. My dad's family are from Bermonsdey and my granddad worked on the docks. My mum is from a hovel in Liverpool and we had bugger all as kids. Doesn't stop the pie & mash I tasted from being the most disgusting food I've ever eaten though.

Lol

Louisa, that's your cue.

I want to post controversial stuff and get everyone's attention! Fat people should all have their jaws wired up. Men with erection problems should have a visible tattoo so we don't waste time talking to them. People with an irrational fear of dogs, hoodies and anyone who isn't a clone of them, should be airlifted into Mogadishu to help them gain perspective. Over to you.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > KidKruger - you just said that street food is > something all classes across the world partake in. > This may well be the case nowadays, but you don't > have to go back many years to realise that street > food was in most places very much the food of the > poorest in society. In London, street food has > been around and sold from burger vans, fresh fish > stalls and markets for centuries. They've never > been given elevated status by anyone outside of > those working class communities because they've > never been seen as fashionable. They are often > immediately dismissed as poor quality by the > trendier types. However, working class street food > consumed by such people whilst on holiday in > Thailand, Brazil, Italy, France et al is somehow > given a magical seal of approval because it suits > them to do so. And then those ideas are > transferred back here to the UK and are made > somehow acceptable with the help of some organic > labelling and inflated prices - within said > trendier classes. > > I was brought up in Peckham, within a very working > class household. I may no longer be considered > part of that class in the traditional sense, but I > stick with many of the traditions I grew up with > such as pie n mash. Culturally in many ways I am > still very much working class. > > Louisa. Who cares which class of people eat what food, so long as it tastes good? By the way, when I first came to London in 1985, I went into a pie and mash shop in Bermonsdsey I think, without knowing anything about what they were or their history etc. I was surprised about how limited the menu was so settled for pie, mash and some green gravy. The pie was revolting. The pastry was thick & hard and inside was one big lump of congealed dog-food-looking meat. The mash was lumpy and they used a wooden spoon to scrape the mash onto the side of the plate. I ate some because I'd paid for it and was hungry, but it was foul and I've never been back. It wasn't until much later that I found out that this gruesome food was a cockney tradition. My nan, who is originally from Bermondsey, came to visit me a few years later and insisted on getting jellied eels, but after my pie & mash experience, I didn't have the bottle to try them.

Charles Notice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In case any one has lost the original plot after > 11447 views, 130 replies. > > Jogger in park gets tangled up with playful dog. > gets annoyed having to stop after failing to > avoid, jogger and dog owners get lippy with each > other, exact wording unknown from each . Jogger > gets fat lip > > Still going after 5 pages. > > Can it now end? Lol, that was my take on it too.

And next favourite :-) http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oam0qkv54fw

Has anyone watched this. I was introduced to it by my teenage daughter. Highly inappropriate and a bit offensive, but absolutely brilliant. Funniest thing I've seen in ages. This is my favourite episode: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OJL8pjwWXh4

Did he say how big?

The problem with a lot of medication used to treat bipolar disorder is that many impair cognitive function. I find that Lamotrogine doesn't do that, so even though it doesn't completely stop the ups and downs, it smooths things out enough to make things more manageable. Other people are ok with anti-psychotics and lithium and they seem to be more effective, but some people aren't happy with their side effects. I think ultimately your niece will need to find a doctor who is easy to deal with and happy for her to try different treatments if any particular one doesn't suit her.

Quetiapine is not something I've heard about but I have heard that Sodium Valporate is similar to Lamotrigine and has similarly good results but you need liver tests regularly, I think. I don't find Lamotrogine totally controls the fluctuations but it makes managing them easier.

I'd be glad to oblige :-)