LadyDeliah

Maybe put up your ideas of where you want to go and see who's up for it?

nashoi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Aaquarious Moon I would read an explanation of the > case case law on consent here before anything on > this thread. > > http://www.academia.edu/4086224/Intoxicated_Consen > t_in_Rape_Bree_and_Juror_Decision-Making You think you are the only one who bothered to check the legal definition of consent in 8 pages?

Lesson here for our sons then, is don't Fuck women who are drunk even if she's asking you to. Mine already knows this. Probably about time the rest of them were told. I told my son this years before it became law, because it's only sleazy guys who do that crap. A decent guy wouldn't even think of it.

She didn't remember. The evidence came from DNA, CCTV and witnesses.

So is a taxi driver culpable if he gets robbed? Or an estate agent when she gets raped or attacked? Or the jewellery shop with the attractive display of sparklers? Isn't the person who sets out to commit the criminal action 100% responsible for their actions, regardless of what the victim did?

RPC are you suggesting that the woman should be considered to have contributed to the rape if she, for instance went off with a stranger?

That's the hard fact the jury have to determine. Given the fact she was staggering and clearly more than tipsy, I'm surprised Evans' co-D wasn't convicted too, but there you go, if there is even a possibility of doubt, the jury have to dismiss the charges, because they have to be certain to convict. I think the reality is that most juries would err on the side of dismissal if there is any uncertainty, which is probably why rape convictions are so low, but that is how it should be. Only if you are certain of guilt should you give a verdict of guilty, but hopefully, just raising awareness of this issue will make guys who might have been borderline cases previously, think twice about their actions, which can only be a good thing.

Yes they did, so did loads of celebs and I'm glad they now face the possibility of criminal charges for their predation and lack of respect for womens' physical autonomy.

MI5 are already asking for increased powers. Doing nothing never seems to be the response.

It's the predatory, taking advantage of a woman too drunk to give consent that we are talking about, not a drunken fumble.

Just to clarify, drunk does not mean tipsy.

I vaguely remember a woman was found guilty of rape, but she'd used a man to do it for her. Can't remember the case name though. Rape can only be committed by penetration with a penis. There are all kinds of cases on how much needs to be penetrated and where. Anyway, just want to add that, yes those (usually male) students who waited for someone to get drunk to shag them are rapists and I am glad that kind of thing is finally being recognised as rape as it was seen as acceptable behaviour for decades.

Totally agree LB, and I'm now going to get drunk (not shit-faced of course) and go shag someone a couple of decades younger than me, consensual all round.

Incase you want to know why your comment doesn't come close, you were in a relationship, you both got drunk and had sex. I doubt the next day you thought, 'The bitch, how could she take advantage of me like that ...'

Myself mainly (This was in response to Loz asking who I was talking to). It just pisses me off. I grew up in the late 70's/80's in Birkenhead. The neanderthal's I had to deal with make Evans look like a gentleman. I hate that attitudes about this kind of shit have moved so little since those days. And your comment doesn't even come close, nice try though.

It's funny that taking someone's property without consent is seen as automatically bad and the perps should rightly be punished, but taking someone's body for sex without consent is a grey area. If she's not an actively willing participant, wtf are you going there for anyway? And being drunk is no defence. If you rob a petrol station, tanked up on booze, you won't be let off just because you were drunk.

Not yet. But I have briefly woken up when I was comatose at a friend's party with a dickhead I wouldn't have even spat on, on top of me when I was about 22.

Any hats fitting here?

If a woman is shit faced and a guy takes advantage to empty his nuts, he's a rapist. There are lots of them around.

Here is some bedtime reading on what constitutes consent when drunk: http://www.trinitinture.com/documents/wallerstein.pdf

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LadyDeliah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Lol, the Queen sucking off Hitler, yes I'd like > to see that > > Then it doesn't count, surely? It doesn't sound > like you find it offensive at all. Surely the game > is to describe something you personally would find > offensive. Not much offends me, but I'd like to see the reaction of other people, especially when burning flags (and poppies) had some calling for the perps to be killed.

Lol, my bad.

I had to steal this from Reggie on his thread, incase anyone fails to read it, cos it's class: "There is an idea going round that all the newspapers should get together, on the same day, and publish a picture of Mohammed in order to demonstrate solidarity against the Paris killings and somehow 'show' how we feel about freedom of speech. This rubs salt into the wound, why insult muslims further? So this is an idea. For the media to publish boldly, on the same day, something that is truly offensive to their own deeply help beliefs or icons but not of an islamic nature. For example, Tatler magazine putting a cartoon of the Queen Mother giving Hitler a blowy...you get my gist. This would demonstrate the ability to take offence where as the other way simply enrages people already maddened by insult."

Lol, the Queen sucking off Hitler, yes I'd like to see that and see how many people get their knickers in a twist over it. Especially the ones shouting loudly about free-speech now.

Did anyone listen to 'Any Questions' on Radio 4 this afternoon? One guy suggested internment for aquaintances and neighbours of anyone who was a terrorist. Europe is smelling more and more like pre-war germany. Scary shit.