LadyDeliah

The poppies planted do not represent all the people who died, just our people who died and that, in my opinion is part of the problem.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For those who might want to get a better idea of > the evidence presented and why the jury came to > the conclusion it did, I found the judge's summary > of the original trial and appeal. > > https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-che > dwyn-evans Grim. I bet their mothers are proud.

There is a wider community than the football supporters and your voice is being heard, as are Evans' fans. New age of pluralistic media. You're in luck.

I don't do poppies either, for many of the same reason as Davis. In my mind they glorify war, or at a minimum, excuse the elite for sending poor mothers' kids to be killed and maimed and to kill & maim other mothers' kids in other countries. When I see war mongers like Blair, Thatcher and even Cameron wearing a poppy when their hands are covered in blood, it makes me want to smash their patronising, smug faces in. But that's just my opinion and I get that most of you hold a different opinion.

It's not about changing laws, it's about whether a business will continue to receive the support of the wider community or not, based on their ethical/moral position. Happens all the time over a variety of issues. It's a reminder that businesses, in this instance a football club, are part of a wider society and rely on their goodwill and patronage to prosper, so their decisions have consequences. I would say in this instance, this man, given his lack of rehabilitation and the facilitating culture within football, that he should not be allowed back until he gets why he can't do the kind of thing he did.

I think SJ has nailed it. What he did is totally grim and illegal, but still seen as acceptable/excusable behaviour by many guys. How do we change the perception held by some, that sex is something men take from women because their needs/drives are more important than a woman's right to physical autonomy? There is a culture in football and media where women are seen as ornaments and sexual playthings. I think getting a prison sentence, but seemingly not understanding why what he did is appalling, makes his re-entry to the sexist world of football, where he will again have access to star-struck women with men of a similar mind-set, is what makes his case problematic.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Lounge has certainly changed in the years I've > been on the forum. Back in the day with fewer > users and a close knit online community the clique > controlled every section of the forum (including > General issues and gossip), but in a way that was > kind of ok because we all knew where we stood. As > the forum expanded and the clique lost its grip, > they retreated to the safety of the Lounge where > they at one stage had a monopoly. New members and > people like me rarely posted in here because we > were not made welcome. For a period in around > 2011/12 this section of the forum was almost an > unofficial private members club. A thread such as > this would not have been welcome. No way. > > Louisa. Louisa, are you aware of how paranoid you sound in this post? And for what it's worth, I don't think there are cliques, I think there are people who put forward unpopular views but then can't handle it when they are challenged by more than one poster at a time.

I agree, getting hit is something you need to have happen before you will really know how you will react. I loved tkd competitions for that and when we did them in the 1990's they were full contact fairly brutal affairs, but you learn how to deal with the adrenaline surge you get when you are about to compete and when you get a kick to the head. I'm sounding like to total psycho now, but I've just always loved martial arts and had a lot of fights growing up.

Striking the face anywhere can cause more damage than you might want and you have to be sure you'll hit them correctly. Saying that, I have downed Simone in a real fight years ago with a punch to the jaw and they went down like a sack of spuds. I just think choke holds are more about controlling the other person without having to risk breaking anything on you or them. I've used the sleeper (rear naked choke) in a real situation too and it was totally effective. Again this was years ago, when where I was living, fights were regular occurrences. Some of the skills in ju-jitsu are simple to learn but I think its more about getting as wide a repetoir as possible so when you see an opportunity, you have a technique available to use and that can only come with practice, especially sparring.

Kk, that's so true. It is incredibly intense exercise. I imagined I was taking something up that I could slow down with as I get oldwr, but it's more intense than what I was doing before. I love the choke holds. Knowing dozens of ways to render someone unconscious in 30 seconds makes me happier than it probably ought to lol.

When the CIA kidnapped Chavez, in furtherance of their botched coup attempt, didn't Chavez say that they fitted the US's own definition of a terrorist organisation? But the US continued (and still continue) to intefere in Venezuelan politics and despite massive majorities at elections, called Chavez a dictator. It seems to me, that as the most militarily and economically powerful country in the world, any atrocities done in the US interest are fine, whilst any done that undermine their interests are acts of terrorism. It's not about the acts, it's about who they benefit and who backed them.

We do a circuit first, but they have separate circuit classes too. My overall strength & fitness started getting pretty good on just two grappling classes a week plus my normal cycling.

I thought that grappling would be easy aerobically; bollox it is! When you are sparring, it is really hard. You use every part of your body and get just as breathless as when you do taekwondo or boxing. I hadn't expected that to be the case before I started.

Yes, it's a bit weird getting so physically close to strange guys at first, but the strangeness of it passes, as does the claustrophobia when you are held in a confined position. It's totally different from the martial arts I've done all my life, but I'm loving learning completely new skills and as most fights end up on the floor, I think they are good skills to learn.

The guys I train with are really cool. There are quite a few women in the classes too. Don't let one guy put you off. It's really good exercise and the skills are always good to know.

Lol, not my thing, but I'm sure you could find an oily training partner to roll around with if you advertise on the right sites :-) And yes, it's enormous fun. I'm totally hooked.

I started grappling (ju-jitsu) classes earlier in the year in an MMA club after years of taekwondo and it's bloody brilliant. I have had a big gap in training because I've been insanely busy doing stuff with work, but I went back last night and we learned two new choke holds, the Peruvian Necktie and the Ninja Choke . Totally awesome moves and I'm so enthused I felt the need to share!!! Anyone fancy being my practice dummy?? lol

Davis, don't give up. The EDF has become really boring because the same people jump on new comers and most of the interesting posters have left. I don't bother with it much any more because it's full of crap mostly nowadays, but your posts have been quite interesting so far and when the idiots get off your back and leave you to post in peace, I'm sure you will find others will engage.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > woodleigh Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > I wonder if those who do not like what East > > Dulwich has become might consider cashing in on > > the huge increase in the value of their homes > that > > they will have enjoyed thanks to the influx of > the > > new middle-class sourdough eaters, and find > > somewhere less posh to live! > > Or maybe those very people (many of whom > contribute to this forum) have already been forced > out of the place they were born in because the > sour dough eaters have moved in and priced them > out the place they grew up in? Just a thought :) > > Louisa. This also assumes they own their home.

Hugo is a guy. Thanks for the big-up Maxxi :-)

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Homeland is starting to piss me off. It's all about how crazy can they make Carrie now. Ok she's got bipolar, we know that, move the fuck on now please!

My first post, in a former incarnation, was jumping into a scrap with a load of dog-haters. Blood and tears everywhere. Met the main perpetrator of the anti-dog rhetoric a few weeks later and discovered he was a pussy cat in real life but an online wind-up merchant behind a key board. Don't think I've got rattled much since then. What's written on here is often just someone amusing themselves for a bit while they clock up the hours at work. Don't take it seriously.

Lol, glad to hear it.

I don't do guilt :-)