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DaveR wrote:The expert evidence at the first trial has now been discredited, but that's another story. Did that not help to convict Barry George? Do you not think that the police were scraping the barrel when the forensic evidence was so scant or non-existent. Miscarriages of justice happen all the time, if you include the guilty who go free. The untypical part is that justice has been done after nine years and that he was jailed for something that was beyond his capabilities, and the only people who could not see that were those immediately involved. Any sensible person on hearing that the killer twisted Dando's arm until her head hit the ground, the gun held to her head and the bullit entered behind the ear. How many people on the street would hold that concept? The hallmarks of a professional hit, which was untypical of a Barry George character who couldn't keep his one room tidy. I feel that the judiciary use archaic language to protect their industry. The fact that when you buy a house you have to give the solicitor the money, which he can go bankrupt with whilst in his possession. That you need a solicitor at all to sell any of ones own properties is an outrageously unnecessary expence, all they seem to do is hold up proceedings to some how, justify there position and costs. Lawyers are responsible for the theft of the common land, and if they can make that legal there is nothing that I can think of that they can't do. I have never come across a solicitor that I felt I could trust. To use a famous legal term DaveR 'this is without prejudice':)

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Give it a go Keef even if you fail miserably you will have grown in the process. You can always go down the scale, but to climb up you need to use all your wit, guile, and hanging on by your fingernails.

Mockney I am afraid I do not have all the answers but I do feel the judicial system is either corrupt or incompetent. I also feel that Barry George was fitted-up over a long period, by police and judiciary who knew, or at the very least suspected, that the path they were embarking on, was crooked. I like you feel he was framed because of media pressure on the police. Because of his shambolic lifestyle, he appeared expendable, except he had extensive family to help him to get justice evetually. Suppose that his position was without the extended family he would have stayed like some others, incarcerated in perpetuity. Nine years is far too long for a mistake of this magnitude to be rectified. The judiciary are a law unto themselves and have far too much unfettered power, and when this monolith is set against you, it is the devils own job to turn it back to a straight path. My feeling is, too many of the guilty go free and the punishment rarely fits the crime, and yet it appears to be far too easy to send an innocent party down, and this has not changed since Charles Dickens wrote about it over a century ago. It has desperately needed overhauling/changing/reducing, more so than any other system in my opinion and if it is not tackled we shall deeply regret our inattention. My rant is over and thank you for your patience Mockney I do hope you are not a lawyer;-)

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The police were floundering in the dark and had been for months. The boys in blue then found the 'loner' who lived in squalor, unable to keep his one room tidy. Plod can all breathe a sigh of relief, we can put this case away now, Barry George has saved our arses. Barry George was considered to be a simpleton, a liar, a fantasist. He confounds all the most talented of the Met police force. He produces a perfect murder, no forensic evidence to take seriously, no weapon, how does he do it.? Some of the more cynical amongst us might argue he was fitted-up knowingly. Anyone here like to serve nine years because of 'media pressure'? For a system under constant scrutiny, a little slow to react don't you think. This case looked pretty iffy to anyone who could share a brain cell. All the judicial eyes closed, and their ears ceased to listen for many months, to get that man jailed. Would you trust this same group of judiciary, with nine years or more of your life? You wouldn't, thats tough because we have no choice, there is no option, when you are in the hands of the judiciary, your freedom is in their hands.

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Marmora Man you have just directed a ray of light into my life. I have never heard of these sanest of people, it was like when I discovered Hatchards, the New Statesman, Private Eye, Charles Dickens etc... How do I subscribe?????????????????????????????

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DaveR wrote:A few strange conclusions to draw from one very unusual case. Very unusual case? in what sense unusual, there has been plenty of murders throughout the nine years Barry George was 'away', and I don't suppose he was the first to be "fitted up" and I doubt he will be the last. Justice they say has to be seen to be done, should the copper who 'fitted him up' do nine years? If he did, I guess fitting people up would suddenly decline. Should the judge do time for incompetence, or sacked as unfit for purpose.

Barry George did nine years

DaveR wrote: 1. almost no direct evidence against the guy, 2. followed classic major incident procedures I do not understand how a man can do 9 years without substantial evidence. 2. I do not understand what is meant by this statement? Are you a legal eagle DaveR?

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Barry George was released from the nick

In the trade it is called, being framed, fitted up, put any sap in to release us to nick motorists and cigar butt droppers. I remember having a conversation about this case when they stated they had found 'a loner' and Barry George fell into the hands of the police and from that moment he was gonna be 'it'. Conveniently forgetting that one third of the population live alone, and are 'loners'. He was a simple mark who had no help from any source except his solicitor, but he is not mentioned, why(?) Is this another case where the solicitor and/or court is unfit for purpose(?) British justice in this case, and most of the cases that Charles Dickens wrote about from Pickwick Papers to Bleak House, just stinks.

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