I do agree about a tendancy to bile though if you stroll slighlty off the 'rightouess path'. I'm not that interested in politics to be honest as I have a pretty low opinion of politicians, I'm far more interested in economics (although economist are a bunch of tossers too) and my interest in economics has to a degree taken me increasingly from the 'left' to 'right' as the traditionalists 'stuck in their boxes' ideologist would probably label it. Ultimately, if we can get our global economy balanced and prosperous then the whole world will be better off. The ohh so terrible forces of global capitalism has pulled millions and million of people in the 2nd and third world out of poverty far more than protectionsim and patronsing handouts by guilty liberals in the west ever did...us in the west will probably be worst off as a result and yes that means the end of retiring at 65, free bus passes, outrageous generous redundancy and pension arrangements for our public sector workers, huge non-means tested benefit bills, etc