Santerne - I respect your views and in no way think they are racist. I also think, I suspect like you, that one of the reasons for the rise of the BNP is a lack of willingness to engage in honest discussion about issues such as immigration, positive discrimination etc. I have on several occasions, including recently and fairly vocally defended posters against accusations of racism for having 'non-pc' views on this issue and as you eloquently posted recently Pc-ness has emasculated debate on these issues in the US for instance. However. Away from the issues of race/immigration/difference/racial politics etc which should all be able to be discussed in a grown up democracy, but on a terminology/semantic level, whatever you want to call it, I don't think I as a white person have much right to decide what phrases and terminology are and aren?t racist against black people. And, thankfully what was once seen a s perfectly acceptable is now largely rejected by decent thinking people, and to a degree that has been because of some the efforts of the 'PC lobby' ..although Y-Man sees it differently [quote name=That was the first time I came up against this ridiculous, politically retarded mindset. It has only got worse since then.] Personally I'm glad people don't black up for TV, the term wogs isn't seen as a perfectly acceptable and white people don't bandy around the word nigger without a care like they did in the 70s.