Sorry Shaman, I am confused, you say you have a serious practical scientific mind, yet follow the spiritual Road, what do you get out of it then if you can scientifically explain any spiritual incidents away? Sorry to sound dim, but you say you have had personal experience as well, did you not just put that down, (on account you are a trained plumber, electrician etc. etc expert and have been to many people's homes and explained their bumps in the night away and due to plumbing etc) as one of the various causes of these things happening? (Ngggarh! I know what I'm trying to say I just can't get it out!) Sorry, PeckhamRose has already addressed this (although with much more clarity) in his earlier post, Page 1, apologies X