Another reason to avoid flights is the complete nightmare that is the 3 hours kicking about in the shopping mall-cum-airport with your shoes in one hand, your belt in the other and your dignity somehere in the cab drivers back seat which is currently winging it's way back to ED But all that said, there does seem to be an intellectual acceptance of the need to not fly which when faced with the day-to-day reality means that most of us fly on our moral credit card and hope someone else picks up the tab later. I try and not fly but when faced with a trip back to my family in Ireland the car/ferry option really doesn't wash (14 hours each way being just part of the equation) I don't drive in London, always take a train where possible when travelling and walk as much as I can - and this is a change of behaviour for me compared to other stages in my life. And yet from time to time I do fly. Much less than I used to maybe but still... But I still understand Paul's outrage just as much as I understand the more ususal pragmatic approach. So that's my cake-and-eat-it take on this