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Thanks everyone!

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Yes, you call the Ivydale Children's Centre - call Ivydale School main switchboard to get through to them. They run the Olympikids.

Well I'm probably in a 'borderline but very unlikely' kind of position as in south eastern part - as DBB says, of course, not every child will get in and first few years could stretch further. It would be great if they tried to respond to the actual demand outside of the current Charter 1 catchment, at least until the school had established itself, but I expect it would be too complicated. Oh well...we'll see.

Gubodge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm with Redjam and Soulking. Even if Charter 1 > and the new school's catchments overlapped > completely, it would still mean a doubling of size > in the catchment, would still offer more choice to > a significant number of ED families, and would > still take the pressure off other local schools. > > As a Goodrich parent, Habs, with it's proposed > easterly nodal points, would have suited me > better. But I'm not so blinkered as to think that > by virtue of an SE22 postcode, my children are > more deserving of a place at a local school than a > child living in Camberwell. It's not being more deserving of a postcode, it's also that we were actively marketed at by both campaigns, Charter leafleting us at our house saying it would benefit us to support the bid. I even contacted them to say I thought we'd be out of catchment so no point but was still encouraged to put my name down. Of course, we're not more deserving, I just think it was never clear who Charter was targeting, whereas Habs did have its heat map and were planning to respond to it in some way to give those who supported more chance of getting in, at least in the first few years of that initial demand. Maybe Charter should have been a bit more sensitive to who they were marketing. Charter 1 catchment will extend westwards from the overlap and not benefit east dulwich/south camberwell, which I thought was the point of the campaign.

I live in East Dulwich, SE22 and my child would definitely not get in if the catchment is 1km.

You think they can welcome all the children in the East Dulwich (and this goes to Peckham Rye Park and beyond and south to Barry Road btw and back to Bellenden/Dog Kennel Hill? That's a lot of schools and children, too many I expect. Maybe the first year or two but as the school gains credibility, and more households in Charter 1 catchment opt for Charter 2, the catchment will get smaller year-on-year I reckon. I think Charter need to think very carefully on how the catchment of the 2 schools would work. If they did what Habs suggested - move the main admissions point east-ish a bit so no overlap - then the original Charter 1 catchment would remain the same. And, yes agree with Colabottle and KirstyMac that there are many of us who felt let down when we'd supported Habs, then also offered our support for Charter, only to find out later it was going to be crow-flies and unlikely to get in. How can we get 100% behind that?

Shuggy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The attached map shows 1,500 m as the crow flies > from the hospital site. A bit bigger than Charter > 1 catchment but I think you're right bras879, it > does seem to cover most of South Camberwell and ED > without making a nodal entry elsewhere. Thanks for showing that but do you really think it would stretch to 1.5km? - Charter's is about 1km max, isn't it? And it would definitely get smaller as years go by. Habs were thinking of shifting the main admissions east slightly to not overlap on existing Charter catchment. The overlap is enormous at the moment, so who knows what kind of catchment that will create?

Yes I agree Colabottle - apparently Charter was fishing for signatures of support from current Charter families and families already clearly in the Charter 1 catchment. I would definitely be interested in seeing a heat map of their support, which they haven't provided. I was on the supporter list, my address is East Dulwich, SE22, but we would be out of its catchment on distance only. The whole point was a new school for East Dulwich, as you say. If Charter catchments overlap, that would be ridiculous and could also, for example, push Charter 1 catchment more over to Herne Hill/Ruskin park, etc - again not the point of this campaign. Workingmum - the heat map is on p.1 of this thread, posted by samstopit of the Haberdashers campaign. And also I know of kids from Dog Kennel Hill area whose boys go to Harris Boys East Dulwich, so you would have a chance from there, too.

colabottle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kristymac1 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > my support was always for a non-faith, co-ed > local > > secondary school which had the vision to serve > the > > local community - this doesn't exist to the > east > > of Lordship Lane. There are many smart ways to > > consider fair admission, nodal points (or a > number > > of nodal points) is, I believe fairer than 'as > the > > crow flies' which would result in a number of > > households being covered by the distance > > admissions policy for both Charter schools - so > > yes a few children would have a legitimate > choice, > > Charter 1 or Charter 2 or Harris' or Sydenham > > Girls or Forest Hill boys, however, the > majority > > would be left with the non-choice (imo) of > single > > sex only. > > The hospital site was selected as being the > ONLY > > site possible for a new secondary school NOT > > because it was located in the area of greatest > > need. If the only available site was next door > to > > 'Charter 1', would you advocate there being an > > identical 'as the crow flies' admission? it is > not > > completely irrelevant where the school is > > positioned (it should still be a school serving > > the local community), but measuring the > admissions > > from a point which was forced on the campaign > (as > > the only location) rather than a location of > > greatest need seems to lack consideration and > any > > creative thinking. > > I completely agree. Yes, I agree here, too. The actual site of the school is not completely reflective of where the need/support lies. Haberdashers' heat map clearly shows support/need north-east, east and south-east of the Dulwich hospital site. Maybe the new Charter 2 could go in those directions from the edge of its Charter 1 catchment, for example.

Thanks!

What age is toddler? My son is 4 - do you think he would be too old? Do you know how much it costs? Thanks!

There is an asylum centre top of Barry Road, part of the church. They usually need stuff.

We have been in the black hole between Goodrich and Ivydale for 10 years - 3rd child still cannot get into a local school. LondonMix, therefore I don't agree that primary places are being met over here with the expansions. Yes, Goodrich and Ivydale catchments will stretch a bit but certainly won't meet in the middle. Having said that, a school on E. Dulwich site to meet places in Nunhead is ludicrous. So I don't support the Harris Primary being on the hospital site. And odd nodal points. I want to see the East Dulwich site for a secondary only (although it's probabably unlikely kids won't get in from here either, especially if Charter get in as they will be doing distance only from the site, Haberdashers are considering focusing east of the site to fill the gap and reflect the support for school). Many of us are sadly campaigning for this secondary school and will still not get in!

I have this very old van and postman pat (no cat anymore) which you are welcome to have for free - but it doesn't sound like the same one (no stripes).

Does anyone know if any schools in East Dulwich are bulging for the September 2015 intake?

What day is it on? Halloween?

You can also look on the Southwark parent carer forum website. Southwark Parent Carer Council, which is for parents of children with SEN/D. www.southwarkpcc.org.uk Parent Partnership is now called Southwark Information and Advice Service (IAS) - and is for parents of children with SEN and yp with SEN - and they are supposed to advise about schools and the new EHC process and social care/personal budgets. I say supposed to... There are some legal fact sheets and template letters available about the reforms by Irwen Mitchell solicitors http://www.irwinmitchell.com/personal/protecting-your-rights/social-healthcare-law/the-children-and-families-act-2014/factsheets-and-template-letters

The experience at Harris boys was a couple of years ago and when they first opened and I know the boy ended up leaving as a result, but I'm glad to hear things are now working out better there.

They should not be getting supporters for new school bid that are already in the Charter catchment - that doesn't make sense. Their support list should be showing DfE that it's responding to an additional demand, surely?

My son (7) had to have a tooth out at Kings - the dentist was the most fantastic children's dentist ever - he had injections and he didn't even know! You do have to wait a long time but the treatment was excellent. Of course, if your child develops a cavity that causes pain, you'll need to go to the emergency there. The other place to consider is the Lister Dental Centre in Peckham which I've heard is similarly very good with kids.

I've heard of negative experiences at Harris Academy Boys East Dulwich so that might be best to avoid!

Thanks to all those on the steering group. I did email Charter about admissions as wasn't sure if I'd be in their catchment and this was the response: Thank you for your query regarding Admissions criteria "as the crow flies". We are proposing to open our new school to meet the local demand of families who cannot get their child into high quality local provision - and banding does not do this, of course, as numbers for each band mean that families who live reasonably close, but for whom the narrow band numbers have already been filled, will not be offered a place. "As the crow flies" is the feedback we have received from our consultation events with families and the local community, and best addresses local need. In your specific case (without knowing your road) it would be highly likely that a Peckham Rye Park address would be well within the "catchment" area, as we are keeping the measurement nodle point to the furthest southern edge of the proposed school site. So I'm sure it would have to stretch beyond east of Lordship Lane but I did ask further if they could do a geographical estimate from the postcode of supporters (just like your lovely heat map). But no answer, was just advised to come along to one of the upcoming meetings.

Thanks Samstopit, That's really helpful. I had lost track of where the admissions policy was heading with the Hatchams bid. I put my support in very early and also did the feedback form for the consultation a while back. I think that's an excellent idea to use a nodal point east of the hospital site, mainly because where the hospital is is approximately where the Charter catchment ends. It makes sense to not overlap much with the current Charter catchment and to serve those outside of it. You would think Charter might respond in the same way. However, hopefully in the first few years of a new school, whatever the policy, the catchments of all schools would temporarily extend enough to give everyone a better choice. I will try and get down there tomorrow. Thanks!