*Bob*

Ultimately, you're up against somebody stabilised on four wheels with limited visibility, surrounded by armour-plating, crumple zones, cradled in soft leather, heated by a gentle air-conditioned breeze with their tunes playing as they chat on the phone or with their passengers. I'd stick with the warzone mindset. It's your best chance of not getting squashed.

LadyD, the problem with your 'campaign' is that in your opening post, you lump all drivers together - making no distinction between bad and good, talking simply about 'motorists sense of entitlement and prejudice towards cyclists'. There's no qualification. This immediately puts the backs up of anyone (ie, the majority) of people who don't purposefully drive like a tw@t. I don't even drive a car, but found it annoying. Even those car drivers who 'could' drive better don't do it out of a sense of entitlement and prejudice ffs! If you want to change perceptions and behaviour then I'm afraid irritating virtually every mind you hope to influence with one broad, antagonistic opener - is a complete non-starter.

I know I should be over it by now, but it still fills me with indescribable rage when she says "iiit's for security".

My personal opinion? Professor Plum, in the library - with the candlestick.

Sue - I've built a scale model of the complex out of matchsticks and lego, but I'm having difficulty triangulating the precise location of the child's bed. Also - do you know what the McCanns ordered for dinner that evening? I'm just trying to build-up a picture.

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No comments on the articles I posted then? Yes, the article says as much about motorists and cyclists as the Philpott case says about prevailing attitudes to parenting. ie - hardly anything at all

Have The Levellers been heard at all? Or imprints of dropped juggling balls? All tell-tale signs.

I think they're druids. I saw a beard and heard chanting.

That narrows it down.. to about 138 threads.

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There are loads of owls if you know where to get them. We keep the discarded beaks framed under glass as trophies. I did actually catch our cat drinking bog water once though.

I'm being serious. Our cat is on a strict diet of owls, turds and toilet water.

If we go on holiday we usually leave in turd in the pan for our cat too - in case she gets peckish.

That's CRAZY, John. Should the worst happen and you do get robbed - please let me be the very first to rush in, state the bleeding obvious and tell you you're a fool.

lane lover Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hardly the point. It valuables as apposed to > "furniture and possessions" that are the issue. > Thieves are likely to take items that are small > and/or liquid (easily converted to cash). Do you mean things like cash, laptops, AV gear, phones, tablets, jewellery.. These sorts of things? I hope you don't keep any of these items at home. After all, you'd be a fool to do so.

I've been robbed - you're an idiot Gee, thanks

Sound advice is frequently offered on here with somewhat insensitive timing.

I'm having all our furniture and possessions removed from our house asap and put into secure storage. After all, if we we robbed and any of these things get taken - we'll only have ourselves to blame.

That's true - just ask the Millibands

No spoilers, please!

Why oh why can't London just be frozen in a bubble - at a particular time of my choosing? It's sooooo unfair.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Was watching the Mary Portas show on channel 4 > about reinvigorating Margate town centre. Forming a broader view on the basis on a lightweight C4 ObDoc is a bit like watching 'Allo 'Allo to learn all about France.

Parking and cars are certainly a national obsession: four headline threads on here yesterday - all car-related one way or another. The thing is not everybody agrees that more parking and increased car capacity increases quality of life - indeed you'll find a definite divide right down the middle with people who think exactly the opposite. There will never be enough capacity, there will never be enough spaces. The only real limit and cap on expanding car ownership and use is the one where they become so much of an arse to use that people just use them less. Where I'm from (outside of London, of course) - there is much more capacity for car ownership and use. As such, ownership has expanded accordingly and the area is now a car-centric hell-hole where everyone has as many cars as they can afford and fit on their expanded driveways, drives 100 yards to the papershop and public transport is 'only for the poor' (ie those losers who don't have a car).

If it is ignorance - which I don't think it is - then the best way to deal with it is usually to inform, not to get huffy about it and say nothing.

fazer71 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mr and Mrs Fatty with their 20 stone kids will do > what ever is easiest and gets them out of the > house on a Saturday if a drive to easy parking in > Kent at Bluewater is easier than finding a parking > space on Peckham Rye to kick a football around > then they?ll make a day trip to Bluewater rather > than Peckham Rye. Potentially valid points are not helped by ludicrous crackpot analogies.