Louisa

Mick Mac - I have to say, some of the people I see apply makeup shouldn't have left the house without it in the first place. Controversial point nonetheless tut tut. Louisa.

seemster - well it is my car surely I'm allowed to have MY rules? No smoking, no narcotics, no food and silence while I'm listening to the radio. Sorry does the rest of London's crazy lack of morals now apply to the interior of my car also? DJKQ - you are taking it to an extreme which is unnecessary. A lot of this stuff is common sense for goodness sakes. Come on. All I am saying is certain things which SHOULD NOT need to be said to people, nowadays because of this general lack of consideration for others now aren't even considered as being antisocial. In fact, so much so, that people are now claiming I am the irrational one? Do you genuinely fail to see my point or are you just being awkward? Louisa.

Don't worry WorkingMummy I drive so my rules do not apply on buses, fortunately for all the self absorbed people out there. Louisa.

DJKQ of course moisturiser is offensive! It lets of a striking perfume and could contain all sorts of chemicals which potentially could cause a violent allergic reaction in some people, all because some selfish person wishes to have a quick rehydration on the bus rather than doing it after getting out of the shower in the morning. This isn't irrational thought - this sort of thing is happening on a daily basis on public transport across London and its time it stopped. My illustration of my point is quite clear, antisocial and irreverent behaviour takes many forms, and you can't discriminate one type of selfish behaviour from another. Each thing is relevant on a different level to each individual. Louisa.

WorkingMummy how have I constructed a world view around applying makeup? I was simply saying there are certain small things which can in general summarise the lack of morality and selfishness within our society. And as I keep saying, the fact you all fail to see this is just astonishing! Louisa.

WorkingMummy - you seem to have an obsession with breast feeding on public transport. I'm confused of the relevance/tenuous at best link this has to ignorant amateur makeup artists forcing their lipgloss and eyeliner onto the rest of us. I have no interest in breast feeding, but because you raise it on most posts on this thread we have to keep going back to it! seemster - saying bless you to the driver isn't a necessary act and does not fall into the category of politeness. The driver may not even be religious! And there's a difference between applying a quick touch up of lipstick and taking on a full bag of makeup and basically having a full face makeover in a public space shared by others. I've witnessed some people - and this applies to men as much as women - applying all sorts of face products including dare I say it moisturiser. It's not fair and it could even cause allergic reactions for someone around you who may have skin conditions.

Thanks steveo for pointing that out. Louisa.

Change can be for the good of and to the detriment of society. The decline in institutional racism, homophobia, and greater equality for women are all examples of how society has become better now. But there are plenty of examples, such as manners and liberalisation of rudeness and public acceptance of distasteful language - especially in the media and on television, where things have gradually declined. Louisa.

My views on migrants? Pray do tell, I can't remember any such posts. I'm sure I was right though, whatever it was about. And makeup application isn't always an odour free activity, and it certainly can become messy if its done in haste. Why not pop into the loo at work and do it in a private environment? Just a thought. Louisa.

That is why such activity should be banned. Then we wouldn't have to question individual reasons. What is it in today's society with people wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt all the time? It's such a nonsensical justification for bad or ill mannered behaviour. And why is my view considered eccentric and people like yourself consider yours not to be? It's a way of gratifying your own views and bemoaning someone who doesn't agree with you. Ignorant people have existed down the generations and I'm not refering back to any "golden age", I'm simply suggesting technology and other factors such as liberalising selfish behaviour have changed the boundaries and reflect badly upon society. Louisa.

DJKQ, on occasion my views may well be considered controversial by some, but if you look back they're all done for the good of the community. Lets go back four years to my daffodil picking campaign on Goose Green. For selfish reasons, mothers were encouraging toddlers to pick the beautiful flowers put out for everyone's enjoyment. Lots of people attacked me for being a miserable old bat, but I thought my reasons were clear cut and done for the good of the whole community and not just a few, dare I say it, selfish people. Louisa.

It's just a general damning indictment of our society. Sat in your own little bubble on a train, not being social, listening to music, typing a text, putting makeup on. They all fall into a similar category most of the time, and they're all about the individual, all done for self gratification/convenience/pleasure. But put the boot on the other shoe, like say holding a door open for someone and saying thank you or helping a person who's dropped something or needs a hand with a wheelchair or buggy on a bus and no one is interested. Louisa.

Selfish Adjective (of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

I think I'm fairly tolerant and understanding of other people. Hence why even when I'm having a crap day and nothing is going right, I still hold the door open for people in a shop/cafe/post office. I smile at people whilst walking down the street, despite 9/10 being totally ignored by self absorbed people who walk around in a bubble. I'd rather go to work without makeup on than make a spectacle of myself on a train or bus by being inconsiderate towards others. So DJKQ you may well think people such as myself have some underlying nasty streak, but you fail to see the effort people like myself put in to other people, which is often ignored or goes without notice - because that other person is too busy doing something for themselves, like putting makeup on, or talking on a phone, or eating a sandwich or reading a book etc. So actually, maybe people such as myself aren't the angry ones at all, maybe it's the selfish people doing all these activities who are living with a dodgy psychology and personality. Just a thought. Louisa.

WorkingMummy, yes I do. There are plenty of opportunities to pop into public facilities where breast feeding can be done in a clean and less public environment. Why should people be forced to partake in naked breasts in the public arena? I would say the same about some of our continental cousins who, in some Mediterranean holiday resorts, think it is perfectly acceptable to get their bits and bobs out on beaches. It can often be an unattractive sight. Please bare in mind some of us grew up in a different generation and find it offensive. Louisa.

I just don't get how such intimate activities such as many of the above mentioned need to be done in a shared public space. It's this hippyish mentality of 'anything goes' and 'if you don't like it you don't have to look/listen/smell' it's just arrogant and reflects badly upon us and our society. If people are all paying the same price to be sat on public transport that journey should entitle them to travel without being forced to put up with other people's misgivings and bad manners. In the past forty years or so we have become such a non-caring ignorant selfish society. I would ban ALL of these activities and enforce hefty fines on anyone who chose to partake. End of. Louisa.

Why some people presume this is a joke I don't know. How can anyone not find it offensive? It's deeply selfish and not needed in a public space. As far as I'm concerned it sits comfortably alongside dog poo, spitting and other forms of antisocial behaviour. Louisa.

Some people are just too damn selfish to consider how their actions may impact upon others. I'm not one to use public transport, but if I did I'd be very aware of the impact this may have on others. Blusher going everywhere, lipstick wonky and looking uneven. The person will only alight the vehicle looking like a pantomime drag artiste anyhow. Louisa.

I'm with the opening poster. I find so much people do in a public place disgusting. Eating, drinking alcohol, listening to loud music, talking loudly on a mobile device, as well as applying makeup. I'm even offended by groups who feel its acceptable to walk along talking oblivious to the world around them. And as for yummy mummy's walking down lordship lane with bugaboos yapping away to one another blocking the street for other pedestrians - dont get me started. It seems people have grown this selfish lack of etiquette when it comes to day to day life. The fact so many posters on here find it acceptable shows what has become of our society. Hey why not all just feel free to spit at one another while we are at it? Disgrace. Rant over. Louisa.

I'd hate to be your neighbour. Some people need to get a life. Louisa.

Is this actually happening? If so I a, horrified. I have family and know of other people with family buried there and have not received any warning. This is an utter disgrace if this is what is happening. Where do I get more information on this? Louisa.

Does anyone remember the old arts and crafts shop opposite what was then Gateway and next door to Yilmaz Kebab? Louisa.

Meanwhile, paint continued to dry on a wet wall somewhere in the world. Louisa.

I wonder what Waitrose is thinking about all of this? Louisa.

When are Firezza moving from Herne Hill to LL? Hmmm Louisa.