Louisa

Tillie if this lot get their way we might have to put some pennies aside to save for a 12 quid street burger instead. I bet Maccy D's are bricking it. Louisa.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SJ, learn to embrace Louisa's ludicrous > prejudices, and love the fact that no matter how > much she may wind you up, it can't even come close > to how much the mere existence of the bourgeoisie > winds her up ;-P As if the bourgeoisie wind me up ;) Louisa.

Annette Curtain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd quite like to eat at Louisa's new Pop-up she's > planning, near the tidied up station area > > With ????'s there peeling the 'taters > > Serving pies and eels, without the slightest hint > of irony > > > Can't wait Tbh I'd rather set up a genuine organic horse meat burger stall. I reckon I could outdo the other street food vans within days. Louisa.

Horsebox - nice to see you still jumping on the bandwagon for a pop at Louisa. Quick you'd better run though, the collie is cornering the flock :) StraferJack formerly SeanMacGabhann - the fact you continue to josh with me on here, despite claiming to have "gone through the is she/isn't she trolling" thing, is equally as flattering today as it was back in 2007. You even track down my posts now just so you can join in. I make observations on here as everyone else does, I don't think that is trolling, but I can appreciate and understand why certain people on here who disagree with me take that route, it's an easy way out to dismiss someone as a troll. Even after six years. It's also interesting that other rubbish troll posts on here are allowed the slip under the SJ magnifying glass. I clearly do rattle your cage! Louisa.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The horse bolted back in 2007 That's probably the same horse which filled those pies. Freezers were an awesome invention. Louisa.

Yeah it has, it's probably inside those tasty northern pies your banging on about :) Louisa.

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Manze's pies are muck... And overpriced muck at > that. Trading on nostalgia and charging the earth > for it. That's the only reason there's only a > couple of them left. My folks brings down a > consignment of steak ale and mushroom pies from > their local pie shop in Cumbria every time they > come...?1.20 a pie and the best I've ever tasted. > > If the traditional working class food > establishment's cared for their customers and > served decent food at decent prices then we'd not > even be having this discussion. Empty nostalgia > only goes so far. People want better and are > getting it. Cumbria. Says it all. I don't think London's traditional working classes have much to worry about the rubbish they dish out from up north. That's probably why so many northerners choose London as home, to escape the poor culinary selection. My only memory of north of Watford gap is the disgusting chips with gravy. Yummy - NOT. These pie n mash shops are institutions which have been around for generations, they're still here today. They fed the dock workers of the East End and they provide decent good quality food at a reasonable price. They've left London but are now popular in other areas of the south-east, notably Kent and Essex. Just because you didn't grow up eating it doesn't make it disgusting or poor quality. It just means you have poor taste. Louisa.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa. Whatever you serve up, you have even > hardened forumites, queuing up to eat, time after > time. An inspiration, 10/10 Quids your welcome to a plate of it, but I never share my recipes ;) Louisa.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You like to play cute when some people are on to > you lou, but when you think your support is up, > you play a bit harder dontcha? OK. Poorly planned, post-war housing and neglect from local and national government. I think that this is probably quite widely accepted by almost everyone now, and was the catalyst for the regeneration project which began in the late 90s. You're not telling me anything new SJ. As for Rye Lane, it lost most of the national chains when the threat of the channel tunnel ploughing through the area was on the table in the 1980s. Government was not worried about Peckham, it didn't care. And statistically crime is still higher than average, despite the investment which took place. But as I've pointed out on numerous occasions, the investment into that area was too little too late. The North Peckham Estate was basically a poorly designed post modern product of the late 1960s and certainly didn't help the reputation of the area. Now that's all gone, we see the lovely cosy middle-classes paying an interest. I didn't see them so interested 20 years ago. Louisa.

Voyageur Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Voyageur get back to your coco pops. > > > > Louisa. > > No coco pops for me Louisa - made myself a lovely > frittata this evening. Couple of eggs and some > left over greens - cheap as chips and Yum! :D So basically you made a pretentious omelette. Good for you. :) Louisa.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You do tend to speak about the commercial street > in Peckham alone yes. Check your posts I also tend to talk a lot about the commercial street in ED too, over and above most other places in the area. And historically, I've also been critical of the direction Lordship Lane has taken in the last decade. It's not just about Peckham's Rye Lane. But it could do with a tidy up around the station. Louisa.

Voyageur get back to your coco pops. Louisa.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reminder. Louisa you don't like Peckham. Not just > the station but the whole street > > You don't like the people who live there now and > you don't like the people you predict will move in > after > > Maybe the problem isn't the current lot or the > next lot. Maybe it's you Oh is Peckham just a street? I was under the impression SE15 covered a wider area, my bad. Geography was never my strong point :) I don't understand how someone can dislike the area they were born into. I had no choice in the matter, and I now only live across the border in ED so couldn't have disliked the place that much. Maybe it is me then! Louisa.

Horsebox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Manze's is pretty grim, if my last couple of > experiences are anything to go by. > > I'd much rather have a ?6 burger(It'll cost around > ?10-?12 in Louisa's old money) than a couple of > dry, mystery meat pies, 2 scoops of lumpy mash all > covered in a gelatinous "secret' sauce. Here we go. The predictable attack of a working class institution. I guess the fact it's been there over a hundred years makes it a failed business in your eyes? Unlike half your lovely organic pretentious cafes which for the most part are basically pop-up, because they fail within a few years of selling overpriced food and drink. And FYI - Manzes list the ingredients of all their pies on the website and it's all freshly made on the premises. Including the "gelatinous secret sauce", which is actually made from the water the eels are cooked in and parsley. Unlike your scabby burger which has probably come from a supermarket and spent most of its life frozen on a trading estate in Acton. Well worth the 6 quid. Throw in some sat fats and you're well on your way to food heaven. Enjoy your burger Horsebox, it sounds deliciously tasty :D Louisa.

The middle classes will be intent on invading the rest of Peckham now they've taken over ED and the fatefully named 'Bellenden Village' area of south Peckham. As much as the station regeneration is needed and wanted by myself and others, it will probably lead to organic street food and posh pretentious coffee. Working class people of all backgrounds will be priced out into the wilderness of New Cross and beyond. I can see the fancy cupcakes spilled across a tray as I type *cringe* :( Louisa.

Voyageur Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jeeze Louise.... if you look down on others that > you perceive to come from another class then > you're more disturbed than I had previously > imagined :-o > > nb - jellied eels, the devil's spawn :( Don't worry Voyageur, I'm sure some suitable patron will come up with a jellied wild duck p?t? soon enough to meet the needs of the hungry bourgeoisie trapsing along NCR of a saturday morning :-) Louisa.

Me constantly putting down the place I was born in? Don't be ridiculous. Thats rather unfair StraferJack. I adore Peckham, I would just like to see the regeneration of the station go ahead and have some life put back into the place so it can become a great place for everyone who lives there, and for many from miles around. I would like to see the retail opportunities down there come alive again. That's all! Louisa.

KidKruger - you just said that street food is something all classes across the world partake in. This may well be the case nowadays, but you don't have to go back many years to realise that street food was in most places very much the food of the poorest in society. In London, street food has been around and sold from burger vans, fresh fish stalls and markets for centuries. They've never been given elevated status by anyone outside of those working class communities because they've never been seen as fashionable. They are often immediately dismissed as poor quality by the trendier types. However, working class street food consumed by such people whilst on holiday in Thailand, Brazil, Italy, France et al is somehow given a magical seal of approval because it suits them to do so. And then those ideas are transferred back here to the UK and are made somehow acceptable with the help of some organic labelling and inflated prices - within said trendier classes. I was brought up in Peckham, within a very working class household. I may no longer be considered part of that class in the traditional sense, but I stick with many of the traditions I grew up with such as pie n mash. Culturally in many ways I am still very much working class. Louisa.

Middle class people amuse me. Even when it's an argument about the context of something - they still snub working class culture, it almost comes naturally. StraferJack - I do not need to 'stoke' any said class fires. The middle-class arty trendy suburbanites need no help in doing that. I'm constantly reading about the bemoaning of chicken shops and bookies making an area seem 'grotty' or 'unattractive'. How do you think such comments make the patrons of those places feel? It's sheer snobbery. And the menu at a pie n mash shop is equally as good quality as any trendy street seller - they just don't go around promoting it and banging on about it. If some of the posh types were to bring themselves to enter one of the few left they may be surprised. But they won't. And even if they do, they will happily take a jibe at some aspect of the cuisine or premises. And yet a market stall selling a burger with organic written in fancy writing is perfectly acceptable. It's an almost engrained snobbery which is almost as offensive as the term 'chav' to describe anyone different from themselves. That's my point. Louisa.

GBK sell burgers (minus the chips) for around the 8-12 quid mark. And I've seen these trendy street stalls not far off that mark - and you don't even get a seat! No wonder everyone's skint in this country. Louisa.

*Bob* stop flirting with me ;-) Louisa.

I am still able to partake of these food stuffs, but not in ED because the street food of the working classes wouldn't make it onto the menu around here anymore. And I only have to go back to the early 90s, in fact just a 10 minute walk from the centre of ED street food was available in abundance right up until the second half of the noughties! How many of the people on here have ever visited Manzes in Peckham? Or the local delicatessen chain of Kennedys? (Camberwell and Peckham branches) where you could get pease pudding and saveloy. The fresh fish stall at the former Kings on the Rye pub? They were all overlooked because they weren't fashionable enough for the trendies. And they'll happily use the "fresh produce" card to put down working class street food. Louisa.

MrBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Because people are unlikely to traipse across > London to pay ?6 for something that tastes like > fishy KY jelly. But they'll pay nearly a tenner for a burger? Just because it has something like "organic" or "wild boar" written next to it. It's pathetic. And StraferJack - working class London culture has had street food as part of its tradition since the Middle Ages! Pies, roasted chestnuts, jellied eels, hog roasts.. I could go on. But because they were part of the cockney or working-class tradition they were frowned upon and snubbed by the trendies as being inferior. Now all of a sudden, because these posh types suddenly find it fashionable to pay the best part of a tenner for a hot dog, something you could get from any burger van - it's a revelation. People on this very forum still revel in the fact that gentrification was the saviour of East Dulwich, and talk of it being a barren desolate place before the middle class invasion. It's this constant put down of anything and everything which isn't about them which annoys me. Louisa.

Street food was a south London tradition long before these trendy ironic types arrived charging the earth for the same product. This is what makes me irate about the 'middle classes' - they colonise a working class neighbourhood and then remove its cultural traditions and replace them with similar ones and talk as though they are some sort of revelation. Yawn. Louisa.

Face facts Sue, no one who owns a property wants it to be next to any institution such as a hostel. That's not snobbery, it's just a fact of life. Denying it just comes across as fashionably politically correct - just for the sake of it. Louisa.