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I think it means the three Dartford Loop line trains to run only to Cannon Street, not to Charing Cross. Which I can understand. Cannon St is exclusively suburban, Charing Cross longer distance. I'm sure the Denmark Hill - Dartford trains wouldn't be included within that. They're more popular than ever.

Bic Basher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cle Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > How would the 20 trains per hour work? All four > > lines going from 4 to 5 each per hour? > > I thought the plan was to add another two trains > per hour on the Clapham Junction and Crystal > Palace branches, this would be 20 trains per hour > between Dalston Junction and Surrey Quays. > > New Cross and West Croydon would be left with 4 > trains per hour each, Clapham Junction and Crystal > Palace 6. > > > Currently 16 trains per hour run to Dalston > Junction of which 8 continue to Highbury and > Islington via Forest Hill. That makes sense, I wonder if they will be able to space them all evenly so its 00/10/20/30/40/50 past the hour etc, which would be great. Assuming that stupid situation where a train arrives at Clapham and you see the Imperial Wharf-bound train pulling out (and vv if coming from that way) will be improved with this too. It almost seems deliberately malicious.

How would the 20 trains per hour work? All four lines going from 4 to 5 each per hour?

At the very least, they could continue to boost the existing services - 6tph Overground, more Catford Loop trains (so underused), more trains using the bay platforms in Blackfriars which seem barely used... And yes Brixton Overground - although I think Crossrail 2 would be needed before Brixton/Victoria Line could take any more people!

Wasn't there a proposal with the Bakerloo serving at least Walworth Road and then running under the park to OKR? Disappointing but completely not surprising. Camberwell developments aren't quite the Qatari billionaire fodder which has all these goons salivating. Thameslink station is something (it'd need 4 platforms to serve both DH and HH trains?) - but frequency would be decent to Elephant/Blackfriars if so, and possibly could help relieve the bus congestion. Only 8 cars ever though.

Those stats are interesting and not surprising - it does have 8 Overground, 6 Southeastern and 4 Thameslink trains stopping each hour. And more trains in the peaks - plus a lot of people interchanging too. I read somewhere that 2 more Overground trains are planned per hour in each direction too, and they are 5 cars now so that probably encourages use also. Overall it's gone from a suburban station to something of a mini-hub, and the infrastructure to support that hasn't kept up.

As if all the trains from little halts like Victoria and Blackfriars are cleverly timed so that they don't all arrive at Denmark Hill Central at the same time and clog the stairs! It needs an exit on the other side - even if just Monday to Friday. It needs another Oyster machine, or for the useless ticket window staff to sell Oyster. But generally it's better than it was - even if that old duffer talks too much and favours outgoing passengers. Surely someone off a train is in less of a rush than someone pre-train.

Denmark Hill definitely has more Victoria trains, but I don't think they also stop at Peckham Rye. They come from further out and usually have seats. In the morning, there are quite a few. May be worth Peckham people going one stop/walking/bus to there and using the better Victoria options. There are a few more Blackfriars terminating trains too, no idea if they stop at Peckham Rye beforehand. Seems to be less new stuff in the evenings, but there is that Dover/Faversham train now.

A cheeky, simple western exit onto Bellenden Road wouldn't be such a terrible idea - would open up the catchment a lot more (Harris and even up to Peckham Road) - as the current route up to the platforms isn't very intuitive from the west.

God forbid people have a choice at either end of the quality/price spectrum in a free market... Not to mention it being pretty standard nationally, let alone London pricing. And yet, newer and better than most out-of-town multiplexes. Surrey Quays is pretty tired for example. Peckhamplex is quite rare for having survived on a high street - clearly the trend was that 'more established residents' and lower income/more price sensitive people weren't using their high street local cinemas, hence the closures/Wetherspoons conversions and exodus to the multiplexes of the suburbs. Use it or lose it, OP - and you old-timers lost them.

12 year olds sometimes stab people, especially in groups. A woman on her own shouldn't feel weak or maligned for not standing up to them - you have to judge instinctively there and then, based on the people. Morons.

It is supposed to get better in time. I think first step is 2 more trains to Crystal Palace each hour though. They need to make it later and get rid of the 30 min gaps at night. At least the Victoria trains from DH are far more frequent, especially in the morning peak where there are a good few new ones. All packed, so it shows 'build and they will come' for the area. Agree with the above poster - London in general has far too many bus stops, too close together.

Elephant. Bakerloo. Seat. Baker Street. Done. Paddington is the long change through the station so avoid.

Which online sellers would you recommend most?

Any opening offers, like zero commission? As mentioned, everyone hates Foxton's until they want to sell... $$$