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I think it means the three Dartford Loop line trains to run only to Cannon Street, not to Charing Cross. Which I can understand. Cannon St is exclusively suburban, Charing Cross longer distance. I'm sure the Denmark Hill - Dartford trains wouldn't be included within that. They're more popular than ever.

Bic Basher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cle Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > How would the 20 trains per hour work? All four > > lines going from 4 to 5 each per hour? > > I thought the plan was to add another two trains > per hour on the Clapham Junction and Crystal > Palace branches, this would be 20 trains per hour > between Dalston Junction and Surrey Quays. > > New Cross and West Croydon would be left with 4 > trains per hour each, Clapham Junction and Crystal > Palace 6. > > > Currently 16 trains per hour run to Dalston > Junction of which 8 continue to Highbury and > Islington via Forest Hill. That makes sense, I wonder if they will be able to space them all evenly so its 00/10/20/30/40/50 past the hour etc, which would be great. Assuming that stupid situation where a train arrives at Clapham and you see the Imperial Wharf-bound train pulling out (and vv if coming from that way) will be improved with this too. It almost seems deliberately malicious.

How would the 20 trains per hour work? All four lines going from 4 to 5 each per hour?

At the very least, they could continue to boost the existing services - 6tph Overground, more Catford Loop trains (so underused), more trains using the bay platforms in Blackfriars which seem barely used... And yes Brixton Overground - although I think Crossrail 2 would be needed before Brixton/Victoria Line could take any more people!

Wasn't there a proposal with the Bakerloo serving at least Walworth Road and then running under the park to OKR? Disappointing but completely not surprising. Camberwell developments aren't quite the Qatari billionaire fodder which has all these goons salivating. Thameslink station is something (it'd need 4 platforms to serve both DH and HH trains?) - but frequency would be decent to Elephant/Blackfriars if so, and possibly could help relieve the bus congestion. Only 8 cars ever though.

Those stats are interesting and not surprising - it does have 8 Overground, 6 Southeastern and 4 Thameslink trains stopping each hour. And more trains in the peaks - plus a lot of people interchanging too. I read somewhere that 2 more Overground trains are planned per hour in each direction too, and they are 5 cars now so that probably encourages use also. Overall it's gone from a suburban station to something of a mini-hub, and the infrastructure to support that hasn't kept up.

As if all the trains from little halts like Victoria and Blackfriars are cleverly timed so that they don't all arrive at Denmark Hill Central at the same time and clog the stairs! It needs an exit on the other side - even if just Monday to Friday. It needs another Oyster machine, or for the useless ticket window staff to sell Oyster. But generally it's better than it was - even if that old duffer talks too much and favours outgoing passengers. Surely someone off a train is in less of a rush than someone pre-train.

Denmark Hill definitely has more Victoria trains, but I don't think they also stop at Peckham Rye. They come from further out and usually have seats. In the morning, there are quite a few. May be worth Peckham people going one stop/walking/bus to there and using the better Victoria options. There are a few more Blackfriars terminating trains too, no idea if they stop at Peckham Rye beforehand. Seems to be less new stuff in the evenings, but there is that Dover/Faversham train now.

A cheeky, simple western exit onto Bellenden Road wouldn't be such a terrible idea - would open up the catchment a lot more (Harris and even up to Peckham Road) - as the current route up to the platforms isn't very intuitive from the west.

God forbid people have a choice at either end of the quality/price spectrum in a free market... Not to mention it being pretty standard nationally, let alone London pricing. And yet, newer and better than most out-of-town multiplexes. Surrey Quays is pretty tired for example. Peckhamplex is quite rare for having survived on a high street - clearly the trend was that 'more established residents' and lower income/more price sensitive people weren't using their high street local cinemas, hence the closures/Wetherspoons conversions and exodus to the multiplexes of the suburbs. Use it or lose it, OP - and you old-timers lost them.

12 year olds sometimes stab people, especially in groups. A woman on her own shouldn't feel weak or maligned for not standing up to them - you have to judge instinctively there and then, based on the people. Morons.

It is supposed to get better in time. I think first step is 2 more trains to Crystal Palace each hour though. They need to make it later and get rid of the 30 min gaps at night. At least the Victoria trains from DH are far more frequent, especially in the morning peak where there are a good few new ones. All packed, so it shows 'build and they will come' for the area. Agree with the above poster - London in general has far too many bus stops, too close together.

Elephant. Bakerloo. Seat. Baker Street. Done. Paddington is the long change through the station so avoid.

Which online sellers would you recommend most?

Any opening offers, like zero commission? As mentioned, everyone hates Foxton's until they want to sell... $$$

jjjjj Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Renata Hamvas Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Hi Miga, yes they do, but only at current rates. > > > There was supposed to be double the service, but > > > as the decision has been made to continue the > > through Wimbledon service (which was going to > > end), they have scrapped the extra service on > this > > line. > > Renata > > What's stopping there being 2 through trains per > hour and 2 blackfriars trains per hour. > > Issues are often to do with trains going beyond > blakfriars, so if two terminated there there may > be more chance of at least 2 trains being on time. And maybe we could have the same. So both routes are 4tph, each with 2 through and 2 terminating at Blackfriars. Seems fair.

It's a bit pathetic that this whole Thameslink rebuild will not add any new trains for this line, but I'm not surprised. These investments are for Home Counties people who drop ?5000 on annual tickets, not Oyster users (can we get some more Oyster machines at PR and DH?!) The Victoria trains are improving and I think will continue to. Next step would be for one down the Catford line, but Thameslink would be preferred for peaks. Victoria is more useful off peak and weekends I think. Renata - could they look at stopping some of the faster peak Kent Thameslink trains at DH/PR (they stop at Elephant I think) as a bit of relief? I hope they ditch the Wimbledon trains running through - the new platforms at Blackfriars are a joke.

Clapham utopia indeed! Surely that is all gift shops and baby rubbish. Not interested. But it's undeniable the progress our city has made in terms of eating, and if that alienates the awful places of the past, brilliant. See you later. Don't care. I was being kind with earthy too. Try racist, hate-filled, uneducated Kipper slums, like most places along the Estuary. Forsaken.

Iceland held dear? Talk about dramatic, emotive drivel. I wish you would move somewhere earthy like Gravesend to be with your great people... or at least cut your wifi.

I allow about 65-75 mins to drive to T5. Usually 45 of that is getting to the A4 left turn at Tesco Olympia, and then you're away... The M4/M25 junction can be a bitch too. Public transport easiest is train to Victoria, then District to Hammersmith and Piccadilly. The same as the driving route ostensibly. Don't bother with getting up to Paddington. Driving another option is via Nine Elms and Chelsea Bridge then along - much of a muchness.

Plus there are trains which run through DH/PR which don't stop and have plenty of seats - the nicer trains they use to Brighton (the same as the Southern Brighton ones but not green). As with Southeastern, they could realise that stopping some trains from further out in the peaks will help even out crowding - plus offers Overground connections. Denmark Hill does seem to be slightly in more need, but they could alternate. Both stops would piss people off. And I think there was some snobbery from Kent people/council a while back about 'stopping in Peckham'.

Currently there is a maximum of 24 trains per hour. If split in half, that'd be 12tph on each branch - or one every 5 minutes. It's better than the current service, but I think would be pretty full early on. Imagine a train every 5 minutes from Brixton! Plus Elephant will see increased use through redevelopment (although arguably some who join the Bakerloo there today from the train or buses would be some of the new extension users?) They would need to increase to 30tph at least. And then think of where to send them at the northern end, where 30tph would be overkill.

It's pretty vile in Stratford - like that one in Lewisham. Just a bygone era really. Today's Stratford is still a shithole, but with a Westfield and a lot of transport links. Nothing like ED at all. And nobody likes it, old or new - another difference.

Middle and upper class folk come with their own 'characters' too - and everyone is in their own reality. I don't understand how struggling or having less is more 'real'. And god forbid our society is well educated!

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You might as well blame your mates who have moved > out of the area, and sold their houses for fat > stacks (yo) Interesting angle Jeremy... why not blame 'right to buy' and greedy West Indians for cashing in and making Brixton the land of 'Champagne & Fromage' - rather than the blow ins?