Captain Marvel

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'FFS, you've done it again, I never said that, I was saying the complete opposite of importing successful ideas, as J&B rightly picked up on...' No need to get testy. I merely meant that nothing should be nationalised unless its dead on its arse because we aren't good at it. And surely even you agree that 'free' broadband is ruinous claptrap. Anyway, it looks like the daft old Trot is going to win now and there will be an immediate economic slump followed by years of more Brexit bollocks. There won't be many on here who remember socialism red in tooth and claw and it seems we don't learn from the past so fasten your seat belts. Buy your Euros now. I'm off to the allotment

'Surely this is very much a time to pick up practices that work well elsewhere' Then why haven't we? If our utilities whether in public or private ownership have never been able to make any foreign acquisitions ever, why will that suddenly change?

'let's learn why they have been successful and can it be reciprocated in the UK.' Surely this is no time for experimentation. I cannot think of a single UK exportable nationalised industry that has ever existed or of those proposed ever could. The idea that 'Britband' could start taking market share from anything in Europe is laughable. And as for the utilities...

cella Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When you look at all the private companies who > have been handed public service contracts who turn > out to be rubbish e.g. Corillion, Serco etc yet > senior staff still walk away with massive bonuses > and leave the debris and staffing casualties to > the public sector to clean up, not sure this works > either. Of course no one wants that but I need it explained to me why nationalising Openreach and giving away free broadband doesn't destroy the sector. It will give free broadband to people who can readily afford it and necessitate a tax to cover the cost of providing it to those who can't. Oh, and perhaps they need a laptop to use it on. Other broadband companies won't compete with a free service and Virgin's infrastructure will be expensively rented out to 'Britband' unless McDonnell is going to nationalise that too. It's an ill considered disaster in the making and a measure of people who have no clue.

> > So that's the reason they have all been > expensive > > disasters is it? > > I didn't say that at all. What we do know is that > if you underfund the NHS you get a crappy NHS, > underfund the police force and you get a crappy > police force, and so on. > > > If politicians had any business acumen they'd > be > > in business > > Doesn't follow that they would be successful in > business though, likewise when someone successful > in business turns their hand to politics... You're dodging around a bit here. NHS, police, schools aren't what is meant by 'nationalised industries' and as services, however much you plough into them they will blame failure on underfunding and ask for more.

So that's the reason they have all been expensive disasters is it? If politicians had any business acumen they'd be in business

When the BBC declares it no longer needs to survive on a tax, I'll agree with that

You tell me

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > what could possibly go wrong? compare with how > things are right now How are things right now Jules or Boo? We don't have a UK owned car industry And thank you John, you and Wiki are correct that there were multiple problems before nationalisation and there was improvement but it didn't and couldn't last. Lack of investment, foreign competition, union wars and bad management saw to that. So in future we'll have bad managers and bureaucrats. How do you think a free broadband industry will work when there is no incentive to invest in it because there is no return on investment? And name me one successful UK nationalised industry

Some will remember the triumph (pun intended) that was a nationalised British Leyland as all those great marques went into foreign ownership Jaguar, Land Rover, and Rover, the Mini, MG, Triumph, Wolesley, Morris and Austin A lot of the problems were foreign competition and crap design but most of it was shite management... and Red Robbo of course So, a workers' utopia of nationalised industries, empowered unions, un incentivised work force, sub standard managers and socialist overlords. What could possibly go wrong?

How dare you call it grey and drizzly... oh

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Exactly diable. There are so many good examples of > state owned companies successfully competing in > the open marketplace and doing very well. But not British ones

Boris likes infrastructure

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- 'If you think ?enlightenment? comes off a few words of a local forum, I guess it just shows how clueless you are I suspect you know what you?ve written is not based on reality, but you think it?s funny or clever To start, you could ask yourself whether you know anything about how the US will save the day (but not the environment) or whether no one does (because in fact no one does) and in fact they won?t' pk! I'm crushed! However, I didn't say the US would save anything

I can't (paywall) see that but I guess it's the Indy usual PK, since you obviously have a clue, please enlighten me

Does anyone seriously think that the Cons want to 'sell' the NHS or make health care unaffordable? Everyone is aware - even the flint hearted Tories - that the NHS is as close to a religion as we get in this septic isle and to attempt to do anything with it but tinker at the edges would bring a 2,000 tonne shithammer down on their heads The fact that the NHS needs a major overhaul is something none of them can address because to do so would be to invite street riots. Have no fear ye wee trembling, superstitious folk, you won't be getting your wounds bandaged whilst being force fed chlorinated chicken at a $1,000 dollars a second any time soon

Nothing to see here

Are you disparaging the leader of the Labour party?

That's me at the back laughing at the razor dodging old fraud

Economic genius

Good to see you back in the harness Carla

He's a repellant, lying, sweaty shitbag but apart from that, I'm not sure what he's done wrong

McCluskey says it's unbelievable and I think old Len might be on to something: 'All of these things Labour is promising. The deal that they?re going to put to people is unbelievable.'

Wake up people, pigeons aren't real