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If the water/well is an issue for Camberwell then I reckon extending the Victoria Line from Brixton to East Dulwich would be a better idea.

Guess we'll never know about ABO's involvement on this premises however on the grounds that Franklins HAS set up shop on this site it appears my original rumour was pretty much spot on. (tu)

LL47 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One other tip is never to give out your card > details without a pin. Apparently if you do this - > according to a fraud investigator I met recently, > this invalidates insurance claims if someone scams > your card. LL74 I'm not sure I understand - are you saying we should only give out our card details WITH the PIN? Also - what insurance claim? Unless the bank can prove the fraud was your fault (refer previous section on giving out your card details) then you don't pay - the merchant/bank does where the compromise occurred. Therefore where does the insurance claim come in?

Park Hill is at it again. This time they want to develop 7x flats on top of the esph building on Lordship Lane. This will involved building an additional level to make it a 3 story building + putting roof terraces on the second level. Being an owner of a nearby property I personally will have objections for the additional parking problems it will create in neighbouring streets, not to mention a potential loss of privacy to my property. I don't know if this is coincidence or not but the consultation has come out rather conveniently at holiday time when many people won't be reading, or more importantly, objecting. Just thought I'd make it a little more public: http://planningonline.southwarksites.com/planningonline2/AcolNetCGI.exe?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=9528240 Ref: 08/AP/0828. To comment on this planning application please email [email protected]. Please make sure that you state the application number and your postal address. Note the consultation period ends on 16/08/2008.

OK folks here's the real deal: Banks cancel cards (even while you're on holiday!) to protect themselves and merchants, not you. You're not responsible for the fraud, which is why you always get your money back (eventually). The banks are responsible for wearing the debt temporarily and eventually the merchant that authorised the fraudulent transaction will wear the cost. If the merchant (i.e. petrol station) wants to stop this kind of crap happening they will make sure their infrastructure is secure and they don't have dodgy employees swapping out their POS kit for modified versions that skim cards. They'll also make sure their CCTV camera's don't point at the POS device so PIN details can't be captured by the employees with access to the CCTV kit. The police don't want to know about it because it would be a big waste of resource for something that would return them little reward. These operations are international and it would take massive cross-border cooperation to yield any sort of reward. The bottom line is that the merchants needs to get their houses in order, or they will end up paying the bill. Not the bank, and most importantly not you. I agree that the banks should refund your money to your account more quickly, as in most cases it will certainly not be your fault, however that's the only real issue for the consumer here.

bon3yard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Praise the Lord, the thought of all those poor > dispossessed Yummy Mummies roaming the streets > making a nuisance of themselves was simply to much > to countenance. I was about to post some message about how this was a win for Nero because, from this decision (not to close them down), their policy of abusing planning laws has effectively been endorsed by Southwark Planning who were too weak to teach them the lesson they should have been taught. They will just carry on doing what they do, screwing the public, and Southwark his missed their opportunity to show the chain stores that this is wrong. But I won't ;-), because bon3yard your message just made me LMFHO! I couldn't stand the thought of Blue Mountain being taken over by even more ED Mummies, as I would really struggle if I had less access to the best coffee in South London. Less the mummies stay at Nero and drink that plastic coffee. All hail to Nero, and Southwark Planning! :))

I'd like to reiterate my views on this subject from an earlier post: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,70284,71553#msg-71553

Got to admit, the tent was really poorly laid out. Simply too many stalls allowed in such a small space. Forget about the push chair; there wasn't even room to stop and browse unless you wanted the ten people behind you to have to wait until you were done before they could get past. I felt like I had to rush through the tent so didn't get to spend much time in there. Good concept. Poor planning. As for no push chairs - schoolboy error (but not surprising considering the size of the tent)!

As a lot of you will already know I started the original Say NO to Nero petition as I didn't want to see them setting a precedent for flouting planning laws that other big chains could follow. For that reason I hope Southwark planning does not cave in and shuts them down. Since Nero opened I have spoken with my feet; I have never set a foot in ED Nero and will continue not to. On the other hand that premises, even with only A1 use permission is a gold mine for another big chain to jump into. The biggest worry for me is that if Nero goes, what will replace it? Of all the chains out there I don't particularly mind Nero. It's certainly better than a Tesco Metro or similar, or even an empty shop. However wanting them stay for that reason is kind of like selling my soul to the devil. I LOVE the idea (thanks Mark) of Nero copping a big (really has to be HUGE) fine that HQ will really know about, and then that money gets pumped back into ED. The problem is that Southwark planning can only operate within the laws. I don't know if fines are part of the planning process (anyone with better knowledge jump in here!). I believe it's just "granted" or "not granted", simple as that. If Southwark can dish out a fine and let them stay open without serving paninis then that would be the best option for me. HOWEVER: If Southwark only has the choice of "granted" or "not granted" then it's a question of morals and principals (and this in my book applies whether you like Nero or not): 1) Back the principal; teach the chain stores a lesson that they can't flout planning laws and close them down. OUTCOME: watch another chain open in it's place that doesn't serve panini's, however sleep well at night knowing that Southwark won't let other chains flout the law in this way again the next time a chain tries the same trick. OR... 2) Throw the principals out the window and back them to stay open with the "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" mindset. The ED local decides "I like Nero and don't care about the laws" OR "I'd rather Nero than another chain another useless trinkets shop, even if I don't agree with the way they went about opening their doors". OUTCOME: The chain store wins and the door is opened for other chains to keep doing the same in ED and everywhere. Regardless of your allegiance to Nero or chain stores or indie stores it's important to back the principal here and take a holistic view: If Nero is allowed to stay then Southwark sets a bad example and we all lose. If you back Nero just because like their coffee then you are just ignorant, and ultimately you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. If Nero is forced to close, then yes we will in all likelihood get another chain store and it may not be one we like (though we know it won't be A3), however it will set a precedent that will ultimately serve ED and the rest of Southwark better in the future.

Hirst and Sons is actually good for organic bread. Not a wide variety, but if you want a good size simple sliced organic loaf from an indie shop for about ?1.80 then H&S is the place to go. I used to buy all my bread at EDD and Cheese block but it was too expensive to be buying week in week out. Now I get my bread from H&S and reserve the EDD and CB bread for "special days".

The issue of pipe works, access to them, and who is responsible for their upkeep is a tricky one. I had a similar issue with a sewerage pipe last year in my flat. Our toilet started draining very slowly when it was flushed (and it wasn't the previously nights curry to blame!). A call to our freeholder got the plumber around and he tried to rod the drains without success. Long story short - it got escalated to Thames Water who sent a contractor around. The guy opened the inspection chamber at the rear of the property and it was choc full of raw sewerage. He told us it was blocked about 20m down the pipe. He then went on to tell me about the areas of responsibility for waste pipes; Thames Water is only responsible for the pipes if they service multiple properties. As he couldn't be sure the pipe in question serviced multiple properties he decided to leave until I could prove it did. Nice. Only sheer persistence got the results we wanted from TW and their idiot contractors. It took almost every neighbour in the street to cooperate through door knocking campaigns for access to their inspection chambers to find the blockage in the shared pipe. Finally they found it and fixed it. Had we not been given access to the adjoining properties it could have literally turned very messy. The similarity in these stories is that they both involve access to adjacent properties to fix the issue. I'm sure during this whole sage that someone mentioned to me that this was seen as an environmental health issue and the EPA would likely be the next point of call if I didn't get what I wanted. There must be laws around this sort of stuff and allowing access via a neighbouring property to fix issues with your own property. I would expect even more so considering multiple properties are affected. I'm no lawyer so I don't know the specifics, but in a country so densely populated with terraced dwellings I'm surprised that the law hasn't helped G&B and the flats above out a little more swiftly. Either we're not being told the full story, or the legal system simply isn't equipped to deal with these issues very swiftly. It's a shame Celestial are not being very helpful and that this even needs to be a legal issue. I can see their point in not wanting to lose business however I'd rather allow the access now before this ends up becoming a legal issue and they are forced to allow access during an even busier time - say in a few weeks. There is nothing more important than having good relations with your neighbours. I wonder if Celestial would agree to allow access if G&B offer to cover Celestial's lost revenue for the days they are affected. I'm sure that cost would be a lot less to G&B than being closed for many weeks. If Celestial doesn't agree on that basis (i.e. with nothing to lose) then I think they're just a bunch of $%^$%*^&'s and they certainly won't be on my Xmas card list.

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Is there a link where I can send you my bank account details?

Sounds like Turkey is about to be sold at a premium thanks to the Xmas bird Flu outbreak. Fancy that, having to pay top dollar for the privilege of risking contracting bird flu. Ham anyone?

AndrewP Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The white population may be increasing, but it may > be getting more diverse if the increase is due to > more non-British whites i.e. West and East > Europeans, Antipodeans, S Africans etc. I suspect > that there has been a big increase in people from > these areas in recent years. I can vouch for that...

How does that saying go? "If something seems too good to be true .. ........ .."

and you needed to duplicate this post because....?

Zenoria residents; I think we've all learned that planning permission can only do so much (i.e. stop too many curry houses opening in the one street...apparently), but it can't stop a business opening on a premises that already has the correct Class of Use. I'm not saying that's the case for EDW but it's a possibility. It could also be that they have got around a PP application because technically there's nothing in there at the moment. Maybe the individual stalls will have to get PP depending on what they want to sell. I wouldn't worry about it. If they are ignoring a law I'm sure it will catch up with them in the end. As the person who started the "Say NO to Caffe Nero" petition way back when (which unfortunately achieved nothing) I can completely sympathise with your cause. I guess on the other hand however, it's going to be a commercial business of some sort like it or not (after all it IS a commercial premises and always has been) so I think it's a case of you all deciding what business you actually could handle being in there and picking your battles. You can only object for so long before the planning office just says "oh bugger this lot, they object to everything! APPROVED!"). Maybe if there are that many of you that don't want it to be a commercial premises at all then you should all have a whip around, approach Parkhill Properties and ask them to sell it to you. Then you could turn it into a low density block of flats and flog it off (assuming you get planning permission, that is...LOL!)

Classes are open to non-members at ?16 a pop. I've only been doing the EasyLine class at this stage, but they have other stuff like Yoga, Pilates, balance and stability, cardio. Like I said earlier because it's early days you have only a few people in the classes (sometimes just yourself!) so, although ?16 might not be cheap once the number of attendees increases, it sure is cheap for a 1-on-1 personal training session which is effectively what you're getting at the mo. They do have a class timetable, but it's not on their web site. The only reason I can think of why it's not is because they're still prone to changes based on new member demand. Best to give them a call for now me thinks.

Buzzard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "This message was brought to you by Bassano Street > Ripoff Gymnasium Enterprises Limited" Buzzard; such a clich? to claim that positive feedback about a business left on this forum can only possibly have been written by the owner. Haven't you got anything original to say?

I'm a member and am loving it, so far it's early days yet in terms of judging if the price is worth it, but the program they have put together for me is like no other gym I've ever been to. This is a gym that tailor's your program not only to your goals but to the way your body mechanics work and any deficiencies it has (i.e. flat feet, slouching, dodgy knees etc). The initial bio-mechanical assessment is clearly a cut above any other gym. You really know you're dealing with professionals here, not just minimum wage earning gym "instructors". It's quite extraordinary what a difference it makes. I can only measure whether the price is worth it by the results I get from being a member, but early into the membership it's clear that this place has something extra to offer and I am definitely getting results already. I still struggle with knowing what I'm paying each month, but if the results come then you can't put a price on that. So what if I have to miss out on a few pints each month to pay for it (probably a good thing!). The best thing about having become a member so early is that the member base is still low (though growing quickly) so when I do classes the ratio of instructor to student is very low and you get a very personal service. So my recommendation to you all is STAY AWAY (then I can have the place to myself!) ;-)

Maybe my source isn't that reliable after all then. Or maybe everyone's just in denial kind of like football players are before they actually sign the big contract. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. By the way - did you know there's plans to open a needle exchange at the DMC in Crystal Palace Road?! ;-)

I've heard from a not so reliable source that All Bar One is looking to set up shop in ED. Apparently the tyre shop opposite Franklins was up for sale/lease and the AB1 mob were after it. Franklins ended up buying/leasing it, mainly to stop AB1 opening near them, and are going to set up an organic green grocers shop in it. At least Franklins had the money behind them to get hold of the premises and stop a competitor opening next door. A bit of a turn up for the books in this case (it's normally the chain stores bullying the small guy out of the neighbourhood using this method). Apparently AB1's have their eyes on another premises in LL now. If AB1 is looking, then it's only a matter of time before they find the right premises. Regards EDKiwi NOTE: Edited specific LL street numbers out as it appears my source didn't have the street numbering right for their next target property. Note2: Edited again to state source was about as reliable as a tabloid reporter needing a news story during holiday season!

The garden centre owners own that land and business outright. They will one day retire and sell up but I've heard they have no plans to do it yet. One day it will happen though and I'm sure that the planning permissions we're seeing is a sign of the vultures circling and waiting for the day when the owners cash in their chips.

When your pram's carbon emissions are greater than your car's.