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esme Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I got some lovely washable, cotton masks from > someone based locally but found on Twitter > > @mugTM > > Great quality and only ?5 each Thank you Esme, glad you liked your masks. Jen works Monday to Thursday and was making these masks in her spare time for friends and family, but some neighbours started asking for masks on our road's Whatsapp Group, so she began making additional masks. She buys the material locally, and makes reversible, washable face masks. I have attached photos of the material she currently has, if anyone is interested. @mugTM Tim

And this is the problem with the whole, 'Our Healthy Streets - Dulwich: Phase 3 - Have you say on our draft proposals'. Ruskin Walk, a road that runs between Half Moon Lane and Herne Hill is set to become one-way, uphill only, with the addition of speed humps, from next week. No consultation and with very limited resident participation, unless you were a resident of Ruskin Walk. I think the council are learning just fine, and will continue to divide areas around here, road by road, junction by junction, CPZ by CPZ... I have attached an email comment from Margy Newens below: The proposals for Ruskin Walk come out of a report that was compiled about 2 years ago (before we were councillors) including a certain amount of data on traffic flow, and the responses to it. The idea now is to run a trial. A different route would have been to hold a full consultation, but for a small project like this, it seemed just as worthwhile to go ahead with a trial. It is possible that it will increase the volume of traffic coming down Hollingbourne Road into Warmington Road and Howletts. This will be carefully monitored with the possibility of banning a turn into Hollingbourne Road from Herne Hill if it becomes a problem. The Highways officers felt that it was not necessary to include the no-turn in the trial. Lambeth and Southwark are certainly talking to each other about their respective plans (Lambeth is looking at a very much wider area across most of Brixton and nearly as far as Herne Hill). Lewisham is also planning a large liveable neighbourhood and there are other projects across London. Birmingham is looking at closing the city centre to private motor vehicles altogether and, indeed, this replicates similar measures in a number of European cities. In all cases the over-riding ambition is to reduce reliance on private motor vehicles, encouraging and enabling people of all ages and abilities to safely choose more sustainable ways of getting about, and creating pleasanter neighbourhoods and public spaces that are not permanently choked with traffic. Accepting that some of our citizens have restriction on their mobility, reduced traffic volumes will make it easier for those who need to rely on their cars too. Whilst the Ruskin Walk project has been motivated primarily by residents? desire to address practical safety concerns, the wider picture is very much about creating a healthier environment - tackling air pollution which is now increasingly being recognised as the public health crisis that it is, addressing the obesity epidemic and multiple other health impacts of low physical activity, and dealing with the climate emergency. It is true that no scheme is likely to be perfect but the least perfect path is to do nothing. I would be very happy to discuss the details of the Dulwich Healthy Streets proposals if that would be helpful. Either way, we are encouraging residents to attend the engagement meetings where they can here about the proposals and ask questions. Feedback welcome. Warm regards

Some of this thread is really quite interesting and there are some decent suggestions and caveats to Healthy Streets - Dulwich Phase 3. Slarti, I don't live in the Northern part of Area B, but I do live nearby and fully understand what the mornings and evenings are like in term time. Unlike you, I don't cycle through Dulwich Village most mornings but when I used to cycle to work, I would usually try to avoid main roads and rat-runs wherever possible. However, at 5:00am there really wasn't much traffic about. With regard to lecturing, I'm not sure about the foundation schools, but there seems does plenty of it on this forum. JEG1, just to confirm, I've only lived here 20 years, I was quoting Slarti. I understand the need for change, but as other posters have said, closing local roads to traffic is not the answer and will move the problem elsewhere. One of the main reasons that there is a CPZ in Herne Hill/North Dulwich is because of the introduction of the Central London Congestion Charging Zone in 2003. Also, having read the Champion Hill Monitoring Study I was slightly underwhelmed by the summary observations of improvements in traffic volumes, pollution levels and cycle movements, but what stood out was the quote regarding noticeable traffic increases on Camberwell Grove and East Dulwich Grove not having any link to the trial scheme. Therefore, getting back on thread, hopefully a few of you will be able to attend, if you haven't already, either the Herne Hill Baptist Church this Sat, 9:00am to 12pm, or Wed 4th March, 6:30pm to 9pm at JAGS to convey most of the ideas and concerns on this thread.

slarti b Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > EDBoy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > No Slarti, I am not suggesting that JAGS & > Alleyns annex Townley Road. But, you could kill > two birds > > with one stone and reduce the rush hour through > traffic that uses this road as a short cut, > whilst > > making sure that all the coaches in one place. > > > So yes, you are suggesting that Jags and Alleyn > annex Townley Road as a parking and disembarkation > area. > > > I thought the idea of Healthy Streets was to > reduce traffic that uses Dulwich as a short cut? > > That ignores all the traffic that is brought to > the area by parents dropping their kids off at > school > > > their engines would be turned-off and timed > closures supervised by the school. > > Hasn't happened so far has it? And you are > reinforcing your proposal about the schools > annexing and supervising Townley Road. > > > area safe for school children to walk. > > More like making it easier for parents to drop > their kids off at school by car > > > I still don't understand the antipathy towards > the God's Gift schools. ...If you moved into this > area, you did so > > knowing there is a high density of public and > private schools. > > I moved in 30 years ago, partly for the local > schools which, at that time, were smaller and had > many local pupils. Since then they have have > expanded massively and, in the case of the > foundation schools vastly increased their > catchment areas and the proportion of parents > driving their kids to school. Even now Alleyns > want to expand their lower school further. > > At the same time as increasing > pollution,congestion and stress on local streets, > the foundation schools presume to lecture us on > measures we locals residents should take. Total > hypocrisy. Slarti, you definitely seem to have a bee in your bonnet about the private schools around here. I thought Slartibartfast was quite a relaxed character in The Hitch Hiker's Guide...? I don't think the foundation schools are lecturing anyone. Both JAGS and Alleyns have hosted public meetings regarding Phase 3 with proposals that have come from local residents, backed by Southwark. I can understand your slightly negative language, especially if you live on Townley Road or Calton Ave, but the lecturing appears to be coming from other quarters and probably does include additional themes, as Penguin, Rockets and goldilocks mention.

slarti b Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So you are effectively suggesting that JAGS and > Alleyns annex Townley Road and use it as their > private coach parking area? Perhaps they should > have thought of the consequences before building > on their own parking areas as part of their huge > expansion over the last couple of decades. > > And remember that Alleyns are trying to expand > even further, bringing in yet more pupils from all > over London. No Slarti, I am not suggesting that JAGS & Alleyns annex Townley Road. But, you could kill two birds with one stone and reduce the rush hour through traffic that uses this road as a short cut, whilst making sure that all the coaches in one place. I thought the idea of Healthy Streets was to reduce traffic that uses Dulwich as a short cut? There are no houses where the coaches would be parked, their engines would be turned-off and timed closures supervised by the school. If that was extended to Calton Ave, it would make that whole area safe for school children to walk. Alice, there is only enough room for about 3 or 4 coaches and there would be a problem with either entry or exit, unless the grass, shrubs and tress were replaced with tarmac, which seems at odds with the goal of Healthy Streets. Metallic's idea of using Hunts Slip Road as actually quite good and might be worth investigating. I still don't understand the antipathy towards the God's Gift schools. All the schools in this area, at some point, try to get more pupils attending. If you moved into this area, you did so knowing there is a high density of public and private schools. I'm not saying that all the ideas in Phase 3 are good, but this one appears to be worth exploring.

Excuse me Alice, what's the obvious solution?

------------------------------------------------------- exdulwicher Wrote: > Parents take time off from work as well, families > go on holiday. > > Interesting little trial - take a bus (37 is a > good one to showcase this from say Herne Hill to > Goose Green) at normal school start/finish time. > Past ND station, along EDG past JAGS and the > Townley Road turn and time that journey. Then try > the same journey at the same time when schools are > in and there's coaches everywhere, all the traffic > from parents dropping kids at Allyens, JAGS and > heading into Dulwich Hamlet. > > That then highlights the frustration with public > transport and buses stuck in congestion - you end > up pushing people towards their cars becasue the > bus is unreliable - it's unreliable becasue it's > stuck in traffic and so the vicious cycle of more > congestion continues. You're right though, Townley > Road is lovely without the constant throbbing din > of coach engines! This is the unique issue with Dulwich. As Dr Ian Mudway said at a recent presentation, there are approximately 18-20 schools in about a one mile square area. The 37 bus actually skirts around 8 schools between Goose Green and Herne Hill, not just 3. By having a school term, morning/evening timed closure of Townley Road, it would allow the coaches for both JAGS & Alleyns to park on that road, keeping EDG clear and allowing the pupils to disembark safely. They should think about extending that closure to Calton Ave as well. Are Dulwich Estate involved in any of this Healthy Street dialogue, bearing in mind they are the largest landowner in the area?

I live in SE24. Today is bin day. I put out the green bin and the brown bin. The brown bin was full and I placed a brown biodegradable bag that was also full, next to it. The brown bin is now empty and the bag has gone. After June 1st, if you subscribe for a brown bin, you will need to place the brown bag in the brown bin or, you will need to book a collection, via the website, each time you wish to leave a bag or bags out for collection. Why would you pay for brown bags to put in your brown bin, that you have already paid for, through the subscription?

I found this information here. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/bins-and-recycling/garden-waste-collection-subscriptions?chapter=2 At the moment, if you leave the brown bags next to the bin, they put the bags either in your bin, or another bin with more space. Yes, I can't see that you can order the bags on the Southwark website yet. I was replying to the original post by apbremer.

apbremer, yes, you will still be able to use the brown biodegradable bags. None of the stockists that previously had the brown bags have received any deliveries from Southwark Council for about the last month. You can buy 20 for ?15 from Southwark Council www.southwark.gov.uk. You will need to book a collection, via the website, each time you wish to leave a bag or bags out for collection. There is no mention of an additional charge for this collection. There is a separate thread about this already: Brown bin collection - Council starting to charge? new Goto Page: 1 ... 6, 7, 8

Why did Southwark Council not wait until next year to implement this? Most residents have only just received their council tax bill for 2019/20, which makes this idea appear poorly thought out and executed. Why not say this is what we are planning to do next year and ask the 51,000 properties for their suggestions; these can then be submitted on a council web page. There should be one or two ideas that might be worth incorporating. A house with a garden would usually suggest there is more than one occupant, therefore will a kerbside caddy be sufficient for the food waste? What happens to any excess that can't put it in the brown bin properties currently have? What if my compost bin is full? If I don't want to pay for a large brown bin, what do I do if my wife receives flowers? If the council implement this charge for brown waste bins, when will they begin charging for the blue recycling bins and the green rubbish bins? Would be interesting to find out the percentage of 51,000 kerbside properties within the borough that don't make use of the garden waste service. I currently put food and garden waste together because they are both organic. Why not ask the properties if they require a brown bin and if they don't, remove it and replace with a kerbside caddy, for a one-off charge. Surely, the same Veolia truck will collect the same organic garden and food waste or, will there be one truck for each?

Just a reminder, if you have observations or concerns about how the *Champion Hill No Entry Trial* is operating in practice, please submit your comments using the attached link: https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/champion-hill-no-entry-trial-monitoring-form/ The closing date is 30/09/2019. If you have strong opinions either way, then perhaps canvass your neighbours who are either not on the EDF or are unaware of the monitoring form on the Southwark Council website and make sure they submit their feedback.

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