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Michael Palaeologus Wrote: -> Cockerney 'burbs! You cant vote for yourself! Vote > for me, I will give you a Knighthood for it. > Honest ;-) ........You seem like an Honest Guy and I'm a trusting Soul so you are,indeed,the recipient of my vote:)

Over the decades I've spoke to many a villain on The Terraces or at Racing and at other events and I can assure you that the idea of apologising to the victims of any robbery is laughable to them...One said "its great,I just look remorseful,say Sorry "genuinely" and b4 you know it I'mabout again to continue my career!"...not exactly verbatim but close enough...if they do the "crime" and get caught they expect to do the "time"....Occupational Hazard,innit?:)

Surely a great deal of the "skilled Labour Force" has,sadly,deserted the Good Ship SS Blighty! 2.7 Million since Labour came to power....and 5.5 Million over a longer period...and to qualify to get into the Countries that have most benefitted i.e Oz/USA/Canada one has to have certain skills or qualifications. Still on the bright side a Star Is Born at Wimbledon... Ladeez and Genelmen I Give You Miss Laura Robson:Junior Girls Singles Wimbledon Champion!:)

SteveT Wrote: - Stephen answer this honestly.How many children did > you know, when growing up, have only one Parent?> > Err me actually. > My parents were divorced when I was 2 years of > age.> > The divorce made the headlines of the local > evening paper (1948) for 3 nights running. AN ALMIGHTY LOL!..What a great answer:)..Made the headlines for 3 days!:)...What a contrast...Todays headline Peter and Petra celebrate 2 months of wedded bliss-who said it wouldn't last...:) There is no doubt in my mind that a Woman(invariably) left on her own to bring up her offspring,having to work all hours and by definition only there for the children,occassionally,when she is exhausted from a full days work and maybe much more,with no Male (direct) support has the most difficult job in the World...The kids must be at a great disadvantage over a child coming from 2 parents(particularly if one stays at home or,maybe,works part-time.

Let It Rain:Eric Clapton....I'm using reverse psychology:) and "This Masquerade" by The Carpenters.Beautifully poignant tune available on You Tube and well worth a listen.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:> Tony, leaving aside Tower Hamlets for a while > then, I probably agree with the general linking of > materialism to unrest. and I don't have the time at the moment but as we > agree on something I thought I'd seize the > opportunity! > > Agree??!!! Steady Old Son:)...Lets take it one step at a time M8..No rush or pressure:) ...Off for a few hours back to London now(fancy a trip on The Docklands Railway to start proceedings). See You Later:)

Sean:Following the maxim "No news is good news"...I know quite a few East London Cock-er-nee Sparra's from near that neck of the woods and they have never commentated on any undue problems.Certainly none of the 44 London Teenage Murders since Jan.2007 involve them in any way.No community is perfect but they seem fine,in general. Without sounding like an old record but it really is Materalism combined with all the social problems that we are all aware of...When we had real poverty in this Country(The Depression/Jarrow Marches/Rationing)...there was none of this nonsense but we did not have the "materialism" Factor either!..or Global pictues showing us what is available!

muffintop Wrote:All sounds like > gobbeldygook .....on the contrary it all makes perfect sense to me:)

SteveT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dangerous, aggressive behaviour is nothing at all > to do with poverty. > Poverty was rife in the fifties, we were lucky to > have a warm house, a decent hot meal and dry > feet.> There were very few murders and/or stabbings > although there was widespread poverty.> > There was much better discipline and people seemed > to have more pride/shame/standards. > This controlled their behaviour as the neighbours > would frown on the 'bad' family in the street. > One year after I left school (1961) they stopped > using the cane, and when I read about it in the > local paper, I thought it was the beginning of the > end........." The Young Lady of 16 who has changed her life around said it succintly on TV nearly 2 weeks ago.Its MATERIALISM thats the problem these days combined with the Social and Socio-Economic problems.Many of the Parent(s) turn a blind eye as there is less presure on them to provide. Stephen answer this honestly.How many children did you know, when growing up, have only one Parent?(obviously this does not include any bereavements)??...I can't think of ONE..NOT ONE...at School at Secondary Schol in my Council Estate which was enormous..any of my friends etc..these were just Working-Class Families.Some were ambitious-Some not..I realise(with hindsight that a proportion probably stayed together because of the Social "stigma" attached.)but these kids were given every chance as,usually,the Father was there to be a Role-Model and provide Emotional,Financial and Practical support to his Partner...Now its like a 100 yard race where some people including countless Whites nowadays are 20 yards behind the field at the start.That does NOT mean their goals are insurmountable or they can not get to the Winning Line but it does put them at an enormous disadvantage which some,admirably,overcome. All your points I agree with but its from the"Ministry of the bleedin' obvious" which some won't admit so the problem continues. As a High-Ranking Female Officer said the other day the Gangs have become many kids "Family"...these kids want money QUICK-TIME! but,mostly with only some exceptions, want to study and go down the conventional route(legal) to earn this money but as the Girl also said these kids want the latest trainers NOW! I posed the question why the most impoverished Community=The Bangla-Deshis commit little or no street crime if "Poverty" is such a Factor.Still not received a reply that answers that one. The really sad thing?...I became unpopular on a Betting Forum for a while by saying that all those who want to sweep the truth under the carpet have "blood on their hands" but these Guys do not want to see that.They just hope that 1/The problem is just a phase and will go away and be reduced.IT WON'T unless something drastic like stiffer sentences is done and 2/ They or their kith and kin are not personally affected. Quite ironic as my friend from Sierra Leone is due/was due(lol) at 9.30am and she is (effectively) bringing up her 2 children on her own and she is strong(!) won't take any nonsense and the kids who both under 5 are great individuals.Having said that she tells me(I can see this too) that the Boy loves coming round to play "rough 'n tumble"and Football and spends half the times with his arms around me.For a few hours I am his "surrogate" Father.If only he had his real one around:( p.s Your memory is letting you down you old ***:).I got the cane in 1965 for only getting 23% in English Literature at the end of my 1st year exam when I was 11/12 !it still hurts now(or the memory does)Strangely enough LOL this converted me into an avid reader who gained Grade "A" in the "O" Level 5 years later:)must have been a co-incidence:)

Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nicely copied from wikipedia Tony. You forgot to > mention that Ronnie, apart from being a deep > thinker, held Jack the Hat whilst his brother > stabbed him in the face. Those were the days. I tried to make it as relevant to the "Chaps" as possible:)...actually a Freudian slip here as I,accidently,typed in "Chaos" instead of "Chaps"..think I was right the first time:) "Those Were The Days"...Now you are thinking of Dear Mary Hopkin...

Stab victim fights for life Thursday, 3 July 2008 A man in his early 20s is said to be in a life-threatening condition after being stabbed in south London. Officers were called to Beulah Crescent in Thornton Heath, south London, just before 2pm today after reports of a knife attack. An air ambulance was scrambled but the victim was eventually taken to hospital by road after being treated at the scene. A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "Shortly before 2pm we were called to reports of a stabbing in Beulah Crescent, Thornton Heath. "He has gone to a south London hospital and is in a life-threatening condition." ...... To add to the New Cross debacle we now have this tonight!! Would you mind awfully if I stay in the 'burbs for a tad longer...

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > only a bozo would want their personal security, or > that of their community, underwritten by > criminals. what a diminished hobbesian existence > that would be. and the idea that the krays did > anything like that is pure myth. I Funny you should say that as Ronnie(not so much Reggie) was a great Student of Philosophical anthropology.He often attempted to unify disparate ways of understanding behaviour of humans in the Bethnal Green Road as both creatures of their social environments and creators of their own values. Reggie,however believed that,although the majority of philosophers throughout the history of philosophy can be said to have a distinctive "anthropology" that undergirds their thought, philosophical anthropology itself, as a specific discipline in philosophy, arose within the later modern period as an outgrowth from developing methods in philosophy, such as phenomenology and existentialism. The former, which draws its energy from methodical reflection of human experience from the philosopher's own personal experience, naturally aided the emergence of philosophical explorations of human nature and the human condition which is why they were forced to remove Jack The Hat McVitie from lifes little equation... Not many people know that.... "Bozo"??...Wasn't he the geezer in U2???:).

Its very early days as I only joined last night but so far its,er,me:)

Can someone please explain something to me?..A white Guy was seen running away from the scene of the crime so we have something to go on to catch this monster,which can only be good.However although the killer of Dee Willis may be known to the Police and we know it was a Female there is still no description.Why is this?...Is it the fact that as they do know there is no need to publicise the description?

Bring back Peckham Manor:)...my school had some charming encounters with those adorable Chaps back in the good old dayz:(

bignumber5 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Allow me to ask David and bignumber5 the same > question as you mention The Krays. > ..Chicago!..LOL David what do you think about that question I posed you?

I have not cut and pasted anything!.I've probablywrongly used the "quote" button which,as you know,repeats the earlier post that is either addressed to me or that I am replying to Natasha.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Although to be fair to Tony the ["] doesn't allow > for very long quotes, unless I'm doing it wrong I've got confused already:) > > back on Topic - if I had to choose between living > here in 1940/50 or now, I would choose NOW every > singles time. SO WOULD I !!!!!!....I'm not referring to the blitzed Bombed,rationed days of the austere 1940's/1950's...I'm talking about the 1960's/1970's as regards FREEDOM AND SAFETY!!!! I'm not that old!!...

Tony.London dear, it took me over 8 months > to> > work out that the " sign above where you type > your> > entries allows you to put quotes in a box - in > > just two days you can seem like an oldie. Huge > > improvement with your spaces, but for old dears > > with wonky eyes like me, please try this > option.> > > > 2. Just got back from Lidl opposite where the > > incident took place. Whatever the arguments > above, > > it's bloody sad and pathetic to see another > bunch > > of bouquets to mark a life wantonly taken. True! Its very sad...

Its very sad....

bignumber5 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 60s/70s... A society where women, homosexuals and > ethnic minorities where openly discriminated > against; where industrial disputes crippled > British industry; and the economy was a basket > case. You are welcome to it. > > But there wouldn't have been all this mindless > street crime - Ronnie and Reggie wouldn't have > allowed it ;-) All Gangsters are scum as far as I am concerned...More than happy for bullies or anyone who intimidates others or takes advantage of others to rot as ar as I'm concernd.....but its a fact (laugh as much as you want) that muggings would NOT have occurred on their "Manor"...well they would have ONE TIME...there would not have been a repetition! 60s/70s... A society where women, homosexuals and > ethnic minorities where openly discriminated > against; where industrial disputes crippled > British industry; and the economy was a basket > case. You are welcome to it. > > But there wouldn't have been all this mindless > street crime - Ronnie and Reggie wouldn't have > allowed it ;-) All Gangsters are scum as far as I am concerned...More than happy for bullies or anyone who intimidates others or takes advantage of others to rot as ar as I'm concernd.....but its a fact (laugh as much as you want) that muggings would NOT have occurred on their "Manor"...well they would have JUST ONE TIME...there would not have been a repetition! POETIC JUSTICE INNIT?:) Allow me to ask David and bignumber5 the same question as you mention The Krays. Hypothetically if a similar firm came along today,made it clear they would punish severely any mugger of Women or Old Ladies in particular which would effectively mean virtually NO muggings or robberies in their Area in the future then would you rejoice or not?.If not,why not(lets assume that the muggings were not going to increase or transfer to neighbouring areas?)

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not a lot to be honest Tony. .... > It's more to do with the fact that I'm suspicious > of your motives - both on the topic itself and why > you have bothered to register on here to talk > about this and nothing else I only came on here last night(!) because I read some nonsense about The Suburbs and given that they have been fantastic for 25 years for me and my Family I signed up.Thats all Sean... > > As the warning of a Gumtree invasion was posted at > around the same time you arrived, I'm steering > clear. I may be wrong - perhaps you will move on > to other, less contentious topics and reveal a > different side - but for now I'm backing off LOL....I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT "GUMTREE" IS!!!!!..Obviously a Forum...but surely not just for Whites as that is rightly not allowed! p.s.I gave you the details to that other Forum.I SERIOUSLY suggest that you invest some time reading thru' the multi-farius Topics and viewpoints..From your comments,thus far,it will be a real eye-opener! See you around then...

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The fact that you would like to return to the > 60s/70s/1890s is telling. The 1890's IS stretching it a tad:) A society bound up in > cultural and social conservatism where the height > of rebellion was a joint and a mini-skirt. Was I > around then, no. And you better believe I'm glad > about it. A society where women, homosexuals and > ethnic minorities where openly discriminated > against; No-one is suggesting that great strides have not been made and (hopefully) will continue to be made in that direction. where industrial disputes crippled > British industry; and the economy was a basket Harold Mac. said that we had never had it so good.... What we DID have then was FREEDOM..ALLELUIA!!...No CCTV..No Nanny State...No 'elf an' Safety stopping us pretty much doing anything unless we want to be enraptured with Red Tape...Marvellous INNER London courtesy where people would alays QUEUE for a Bus...fairest system..Now its survival of the fittest!!..thats one for "equality"..Women shoved to the back in the scrum at rush hour..Very 2008!...Far less traffic and pollution...No Security Systems for Blocks as they were not needed...take your dog to the local park without worrying about the local "Staff" or "Pitbull" savaging it...people stopping and helpingcomplete strangers like me(4 times when I broke down in London..strangers helped me on my way by fixing tyres etc...)...Go to any London Football game without military-style preparation.Park nearby FOR FREE! Whoppee-Do!..Pay very little...My last Millwall Season Ticket cost ?103 for 23 games.Have CHOICE to STAND or st if I wanted to..NOT have to have a ticket in advance..Could be totally spontaneous....QPR on Tuesday..Chelsea on Wed..West Ham on Monday etc...People using Public Phone Boxes would shorten their call if someone was waiting....could actually buy KENNEDYS English Sausages(now closed-presumably thru' lack of demand!lol....Basically go where and when you wanted without having to worry.MUCH safer for the Women you mentioned!..Now they are (hopefully) not discriminated against but just are VERY wary about travelling anywhere at night on their own 1Thats progress1....Much more meddling from Local Councils who once used to just serve the Public....Car drivers used to be able to NOT sit in a congested,polluted one lane as the other (invariably) empty lne is for Buses only(Now 7/7 PM or even 24/7)...Filmed on Camera 300 times a day...its GREAT Man...Where can I join:) As you could tell the above "rant" was spontaneous...I could think of 100 other "improvements" if I stay another 10 minutes:) > > Yeah my folks are still alive, bless 'em. Like I > said, they moved from Sydenham for work rather > than to escape the "hordes" of undesirables. Do > they like it? I guess so, they've stayed for 30 > years. They probably thought it would be a safe > place to raise a family. In fact I think I was > lucky to come out as (I hope) a normal chap. The > place reeks of small-c conservatism. Most people > who live there think pesto is exotic and look for > the nearest "Enlgish-theme" pub when on holiday. > Have you got the depressing, mental image yet? I'm delighted that I spent my first 28 years enjoying the delights of London.I agree that I would NOT want to live in the 'burbs when all the social life is in the heart of the City...getting older thats a different kettle of kippers altogether David,,, Have they encountered many(any!!) problems in those 30 years David? > > As for the bollocks bit, well let me > elaborate...."70% of children come from single > parent families". Really? Do they? Says who? Do > you have figures Tony? I hope so, because > otherwise that bit would be bollocks wouldn't it? > You know, made up - to support your argument. From personal experience(based on 35 years) I'm struggling to get under 85/90% from Caribbean descendency...African Families direct from the Continent are much more Family-Orientated and it is nowhere near that figure. Think I read Norwood School or was it St.Martins in Brixton was 90%.(90 NInety!)....I can only think of 2 former work colleagues and one previous g/f who were not from Single-Parents....