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Cora - http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200074/planning_and_building_control/3832/user_guide scroll down to item 3 . " now that the planning department will not be informing affected parties with letters?! " - why do you say this ? Surely a misunderstanding ?

" The deputation then said they'd spoken with 90% of southern Melbourne Grove residents whereas the draft minutes suggest local residents. [moderngov.southwark.gov.uk] " is it just me who doesn't understand the point being made here ?

" Several of us felt a lot of angst had been generated needlessly " - do you realise how patronising and dismissive this sounds ? If a group of people get together and without fully talking to residents of neighbouring streets present an untitled petition which moots a measure ( with huge implications for neighbouring roads ) as drastic as closing off a street ,presents it to a community council who ( although there is no evidence of speeding or increased traffic flow to suggest to either Southwark council or the person in the street that the case is a priority ) nods it through as worthy of investigating and incurring spending costs of circa ?10000 ,it's hardly surprising that people will become agitated . Well ,not surprising to me . Your view seems to be that most of the " angst" could have been avoided if the minutes had given a clearer picture of the 24 June meeting .Incredible that you ignore and seemingly exclude your role in all the other possibilities .

What are you going with LM ? I'd be interested in the outcome ...

Was there any discussion /clarification re the bike lane at last nights' DCC ?

Apologies for asking ( as I can imagine you must all be exhausted ) but I was driving back from Devon last night and couldn't attend the DCC so....could some brave person give an idea of how things went ? It must have been a long meeting attempting to cover an awful lot .

I think that's very generous of you to warn people and publicise your mistake . I for one am very grateful as this is just the kind of thing I'd fall for ! It all sounds so obvious when you re tell it ,but I know it's so different when they're talking to you . And I think you did well to stand your ground at the end .

No experience of Brighton bikes but I'm planning on one of these http://www.asgardsss.co.uk/bike-cycle-storage/twin-bike-locker because of price ,small footprint and strength . They have other styles . Obviously not for it's good looks !

Wonder if it was thought that the publicity might glamourise and encourage more outings ?

Guess we all have differing views . Personally I think the park like nature would be compromised if the playing field bit were to be more extensively used throughout the week . I agree with firstmate's comments and don't see any NIMBYism going on . " Local children are free to use the park as individuals, the objection is annexing part of the park as a regular school playing field. We also have to consider if Harris start to book pitches as regular users this then forces another school to stop using them. Perhaps other schools have a prior claim? Again, this was all looked at and agreed before Harris opened, with full knowledge of Harris and parents."

Could someone take pics of the dogs and post ? Or would this be too risky for the person taking the pictures?

Two wrongs and all that ..... and Harris Fed remains insensitive . Thanks for offer of help - my mum's no longer there so not a problem for me or her .

Off topic I know but BrandNewGuy's photo almost identical to the scene in Hanover Park in Peckham where the road closure with it's diverted buses is causing chaos . Removal ( goodness knows why ) of some of the road closed signs saw buses doing 3 point turns the other day . Haven't seen a workman ( apart from a Conways van removing signs ) all week .

Or then again perhaps The Federation is equally insensitive to ED residents . I still can't get over their response to the proposal by Charter to open a second school in East Dulwich . 'we will challenge any decisions to proceed with all the means available to us'

EDMummy - yes I realise this is about Harris boys and use of the Rye . Was responding to JB's point about the sensitivity of the Harris Federation . The same Harris Federation that ignored me when I contacted them about the problems I was having with one of their schools .Sorry for the detail ,but I was amazed by the lack of concern and level of arrogance . Perhaps the Federation is more sensitive in their dealings with East Dulwich residents than they are with those who live in Peckham .

I know what you mean Sue . I kind of thought that there might be an element of Friday night demob happy hour about the post . Alice doesn't normally post using such terms ! But what do I know .

Sue that doesn't sound like your normal helpful self . Is it only ok to ask for advice if you're doing up a place you've moved into in and wrong to ask for advice if you're trying to sell ?

Oh James you're scraping the barrel if you're citing this as evidence of Harris's sensitivity ! When my 90 odd year old mother had continuing problems with boys climbing into her backgarden to retrieve the footballs that had wrecked her plants, the superhead at the Peckham Academy wouldn't even walk across the playground to see the situation for herself .She was " too busy to leave the premises " . We were to call on her in her office . A previous visit by myself to the school on the same issue ( I was actually concerned for the safety of the boys climbing over such a high fence ) were dealt with by the previous head interviewing me in a corridor . I particularly remember wishing we could sit down as conversation was made difficult by the 18" difference in our height . Letters to the Federation asking for their help and explaining the lack of success of approaches to the school were just passed back to the school . Nor was there any attempt to pre warn my mother or her neighbours ( whose properties are a few feet from the school playground ) when it was decided that this would be opened up to a Saturday market complete with generators, music ,vehicles . Harris Federation sensitive - don't make me laugh !

Alice - are you asking for advice to help you choose items for doing up your own home or are you putting your place on the market and wanting advice on how to make a property more saleable ? Because the former would be down to your own personal taste and we can't really help .Whereas the latter is more a question of what's in vogue ...

hopskip wrote " Our Councillors should have provided the necessary facts and viable options to avoid this issue escalating and dividing the community. FACT: The April police traffic survey is clear that on its normal measures and recent study of Melbourne Grove that the road operates within normal measures at the 85th percentile across all vehicle groups. FACT: Southwark Council officers provided a briefing (shown in full earlier on this thread) to Councillors in time for them to relay facts to the June DCC public meeting. They did not refer to this document during the debate following the Deputation. Southwark Council state in this briefing that they do not support barriers as an intervention. FACT: The Deputation for the barrier focused on a single solution. Why they did so is not clear. The 138 signatures attached to the deputation were not in the prescribed format to ensure all signing were aware that they were supporting a single option for a barrier rather than support for an appropriate traffic calming measure. These 138 signatories represent a smaller number of households as there are multiple signatures per household. SUPPOSITION: The 138 signatories would not all have known what they were signing for as the signatures were gathered before the deputation statement was finalised and submitted and it did not appear on the sheet that they signed. FACT: Other Melbourne residents, residents on adjoining roads, local shop keepers and residents on potentially impacted roads are now aware of the proposal to close Melbourne Grove and are not supportive of that particular measure for traffic calming but would support other options. FACT: There was some agreement for a feasibility study and an award of ?10k CSG funding stated at the June DCC but no minutes yet available as an official record and confirmation of next steps. The issue will come up again at the DCC on 9th Sept. SUPPOSITION: Councillors will be reconsidering their views and examining the costs of a variety of potential solutions. They will look for a solution that is proportionate to the locality." Good post .

I think self inflating mats ( SIMs ) are warmer and comfier than air beds . People think air mattresses are better because they are thicker but they are colder and will be too heavy if you're carrying them . Something like this https://www.decathlon.co.uk/forclaz-400-self-inflating-camping-sleeping-mat-xl-blue-id_8330022.html Take micro fleece blankets - have as much under you as on top .http://www.bhs.co.uk/en/bhuk/product/home-lighting-furniture-2565866/throws-bedspreads-2518933/microfleece-1022204/purple-microfleece-throw-3182761?bi=0&ps=20 Take a pillow . And sleep in fleecy PJs . I'd lend you stuff but all my camping stuff is currently in Devon .

Link ,again ,to petition asking for " We the undersigned don't want Melbourne Grove South blocked off by a barrier. We want joined-up thinking to make all our roads safer for everyone. We want the whole community - young and old, drivers, pedestrians and cyclists - to be able to use our streets easily and safely. As residents we want the emergency services to have rapid access to our roads when we need their help. We believe the best way to get safer shared streets for everyone is to call on Southwark Council to produce a comprehensive traffic management study to include all roads in the Grove Vale/Lordship Lane, East Dulwich Grove, Townley Road Triangle. " https://www.change.org/p/southwark-council-no-barrier-for-melbourne-grove

Wulfhund - I can't see how your tragedy of the commons applies here . We're talking about a road ,the main function of a road is to convey traffic .I'm sure you disagree on this but that doesn't make your view correct . How can a road's function be damaged by people driving down it ? Or do you feel that a road's function is limited to providing access to those residents who live on the road ? Oh and to provide a play area ,cycle way and speakers corner . And " where local knowledge no longer counts for anything & someone mid-way through a 25 mile journey knows as much about the network as a local mum popping to Sainsburys " what are you talking about ? Why should a mother driving to Sainsbury's lack knowledge of the " network " ?Or are you just trying to be offensive ?

Could you glue them on ? http://www.amazon.co.uk/EXTRA-STRONG-QUICK-FABRIC-GLUE/dp/B00142FVZC

I'm going to say this very quietly and stress it's meant in a light hearted spirit and of course says more about my lack of self control and poor parenting but ..... a chocolate bunny received at Easter and still uneaten ??? Normal ? Not in this house .