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And ( re 30 Hindmans ) spouts the same old tosh ( some of it seemingly lifted from the application for 21 Hindmans ) about existing examples of houses built on backland . 97 and 99 Crystal Palace Rd for example . Perhaps they're confusing garden centre for garden ,Police Station for garden ? That degree of spin makes me seriously doubt the accuracy /reliabilty of the rest of the application .

Bit harsh SLad . Minder seemed to me to be pointing out that in the Lewisham incident the police et al could have been a little more proactive in keeping the traffic moving .

messageRe: Petition re Dulwich Hospital site new Posted by samstopit Today, 12:17PM Tessa Jowell has tweeted a link to an update on the Harris web site which confirms that Harris Nunhead has been put back to 2016 subject to a site being found and consultation with local families. http://www.harrisfederation.org.uk/26/future-projects/20/harris-primary-academy-nunhead ( to save people having to scroll back )

There are 2 issues here - 1 whether the development is appropriate and should have been approved and 2 the impact of the building works on the neighbours . Nos 2 is worth complaining about . There is a planning condition that requires the builders to work in a certain way . By the sound of it the builders are not working in a considerate way . This is worth complaining about and it needs to be reported to planning enforcement .http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200500/planning_enforcement/3256/how_to_make_a_complaint Has this been done ?

Blimey ,I thought you did too meant that the man had crapped by the tree as well .

It's already illegal to park across a dropped kerb - as per Southwark's website even if there are no markings . I believe with skips on the road you have to purchase a special permit . FWIW apparently alongside the street policy relating to yellow lines for dropped kerbs a new protocol for planting trees has been introduced . It requires any new tree planted to have a tree pit one metre square . So that won't be possible as it will leave no pavement space for pedestrians . So no new trees can be provided on pavements . ( I'm generalising here ,no doubt the good burghers of Dulwich Village and surrounds will be ok if wider pavements exist there .) So I'm inclined to think the dropped kerb policy is more about incompetence /lack of thinking things through than a conspiracy to bring in CPZ's . But then I'm often naive in my thinking .

What everyone else has said . Special mention for The freeholder, Dulwich Estate, which owns 1,500 acres of property, roads, parks and probably air in the area

That's really well put Mark . Wonder how we can get that message over to the correct dept at Southwark ?

What have I done ? How do I undo it ? No ,don't tell me . I won't understand !

Bloody hell . Everything - all posts ,titles etc - is in italics now . Or is it just me ? Have I infected the thread ?

I was not paying attention and as you rightly identified was omitting the / . Sadly I don't know about HTML or overt HTML coding . Maybe I could swop neighbours and solve my parking and formatting problems in one move .

I guess we'll need a secret masonic type indicator to show which dropped kerbs are available for others to use .But it would have to work on parking wardens so that they didn't inadvertently issue tickets . thank you for the advice . Though I notice that using that method on my laptop now means that everything following also appears in italics . But I think this is particular to me as it's a problem I have if I copy and paste anything into an email . Following text then adopts the style of the copied stuff . But that's all off topic !

Mark - thanks for your post . Which as usual clarifies things for me . The TMO aren't very visible to people at the moment . By coincidence I had spotted a planning notice in Highshore Rd . But it was very high on the lamp post ( certainly too high for me to comfortably read as I'm short and wear varifocals ,so much tilting of head involved ) and included a whole list of orders . From looking at the TMO on Southwarks website I wasn't able to spot any specified length of yellow lines for dropped kerb applications . I suppose more info might be available if one scans the barcode ( forget it's name ) as invited . But I don't have a phone that's capable of that . So yes I totally agree that it would be helpful to treat dropped kerbs as planning applications .And that then the policy around them would be open to public consultation as would the granting of individual applications . And yes - street policies to dovetail with other planning policies . Seems obvious .

But Penguin ,the situation you describe " vehicles stopping for a short time in order to make deliveries, strangers stopping to drop people off etc. etc... a 'universal' short-term stopping place - which assists my neighbours with heavy loads, people dropping off children etc." would exist without you having a dropped kerb ? And ,more importantly , how do you format your post to italicse words ?

Carol - that's a very generous view of people's behaviour . My neighbours ( who I have no disagreement with ) view their dropped kerb as theirs . They don't allow the world and his wife to park there . And there's an application for a dropped kerb that I'm aware of that involves removing a resident's parking permit place . So ,if you live in the street in question ,you carry on paying the same amount to park in the road but have less spaces available to you .And your neighbour ( quite legitimately ) has bought the parking space outside their house .

Mustard - this thread suggests that various people have been contacted ,councillors ,environmental health etc but no one has said that they've contacted the planning enforcement team . Someone may have done this and had no luck .In which case I guess the next step would be to make a formal complaint . http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200025/comments_and_complaints/1958/corporate_complaints

I think the Ombudsman would require you to exhaust the existing complaints procedure first . I do think you should complain http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200500/planning_enforcement/3256/how_to_make_a_complaint to Southwark that one of the planning conditions ( no 17 ) is not being met . All the conditions are listed here http://planningonline.southwark.gov.uk/DocsOnline/Documents/243799_1.pdf

Slightly off topic ,but I'm a bit confused as to whether Community Councils still consider planning applications . James B. is clear that they don't . Perhaps they consider some categories ,like dropped kerbs ? Off to look at C.C. agendas ......

Here we go ,from http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200500/planning_enforcement My capitals "Planning enforcement Works carried out without permission Effective planning enforcement is vital to ensuring that planning permissions and consents are correctly implemented and unauthorised developments are remedied. In order to safeguard the integrity of the planning system, the Council?s Compliance and Monitoring Team has discretionary powers to investigate breaches of planning control. Such breaches include unauthorised building works to listed and other buildings, advertisements, residential conversions, changes of use,NON-COMPLIANCE WITH PLANNING CONDITIONS , untidy land adversely affecting the amenity of an area and unauthorised works carried out to protected trees." and how to make a complaint http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200500/planning_enforcement/3256/how_to_make_a_complaint

Maybe draw Southwark's attention ( presumably they have a planning enforcement procedure ) to this condition " A detailed specification of demolition and construction works at each phase of development including consideration of environmental impacts and the required remedial measures. Engineering measures, acoustic screening and the provision of sound insulation required mitigating or eliminating specific environmental impacts. Arrangements for publicity and promotion of the scheme during construction. A commitment to adopt and implement of the ICE Demolition Protocol and Considerate Contractor Scheme registration. All demolition and construction work shall be undertaken in strict accordance with the approved management scheme and code of practice, unless otherwise agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority. Reason To ensure that and occupiers of neighbouring premises do not suffer a loss of amenity by reason of pollution and nuisance in accordance with saved policy 3.2 'Protection of amenity' of the Southwark Plan 2007 and SP13 'High environmental standards' of the Core Strategy (2011). " This condition ,nos 17 ,is given in more detail in the Decision Notice http://planningonline.southwark.gov.uk/DocsOnline/Documents/243799_1.pdf Oh ,and this bit ( from the officers report http://planningonline.southwark.gov.uk/DocsOnline/Documents/348662_1.pdf ) is good for a laugh " Concerns raised by neighbours regarding the noise impacts of any excavation works is not a planning matter ,however given the restricted area of the site a construction management plan has been added as a condition of any planning permission to address these concerns ." Words .Paper . Written on . Worth it . Not .

So if the neighbours object on grounds of loss of amenity would the application be rejected and no dropped kerb allowed ? Though presumably Southwark could argue that the neighbours never enjoyed the ability to park outside their home as anyone could park there . So reject the loss of amenity claim ?

Borderlands - was there something in Friday's SLP ? I looked but couldn't see anything ? What papers do you mean ? ( don't mean to sound abrupt ,sorry )

Of course you're right rahrah . i'm just in awe of the work teachers do . I don't think Curmudgeon, or me on their behalf, are making bloody silly excuses . Just explaining the way it is . Bloody hard physical work teaching little ones . If it were me ,my choice would be to drive .

I agree with Curmudgeon's last sentence . For the teachers it's going to make a tough job even tougher if they have to rely on public transport .I've seen the amount of stuff a primary school teacher lugs in to work and believe me I wouldn't want to grapple with it on public transport .

I agree with Curmudgeon about the parking ,it is going to be a nightmare . I happened to be in Elsie Rd yesterday and saw all the freshly painted white H lines acroos the many ,many dropped kerbs . And the laminated signs from Goose Green Primary asking parents not to park across driveways . I know many parents work and are driving so that they can drop child/ren off before whizzing on to somewhere else . And the poor teachers .