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tomdhu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Horse passports. As long as they're BLUE....

UNCLE BEN MUST FALL https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/18/uncle-bens-rice-firm-to-scrap-brand-image-of-black-farmer

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why do you need their confirmation? Just do it... Becuase at the risk of sounding like a knob (too late).....I post this stuff becuase I want to know how people that disagree with me think......

Basically, people like me are frustrated that even with the best will in the world. Neither side wants to agree... https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/17/the-ugly-rise-of-left-wing-racism/

The progressive response would be that the white feelings don't matter in the face of racial injustice. Well of course..but let's be pragmatic........

DB....look I know that's the goal. Of course. And I know I'm painted as being anti that goal. But it's not just about me. How does this movement win over people who are 'anti-racist'....but don't like being told that they have no voice/are privileged etc? Should we be academic or should we be practical?

I think we can all find memes to support our views. But at the end of the day.....do the peopl who've denigrated me and this thread TRULY believe that MOST people (including me) are racist? Or are they parroting slogans?

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Im not going anywhere until I get my BLUE > passport.... This was a joke by the way, I know my rep on here:)

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The state of this. Jesus > > Regurgitating tropes from hoary > youtube/Facebook/reddit/4chan wells > > Not a lesson learnt in 4 years I know you're passionate mate. But do you not get tired of vilifying the same people with the same points? It must be exhausting. Although to be fair, this thread has had 3 months off......

alice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What honestly is the point of this thread? It?s a > fake discussion allowing a space for racist views. > Any chance of it closing? I think this thread on got to a point where it has become dog whistle links and memes becuase there was an inability of people to engage with others when they disagree on what are really minor issues (no racism is not a minor issue..I mean opinion about how best to tackle it) The Lions share of people on this thread (including me as the OP) are clearly 'anti-rascist'....but there is disagreement on the narrative around how to discuss and achieve that. And some people see disagreement with anything that BLM says as evidence of racism. You know it's a losing endeavour, when you get told that 'white silence is violence'.....then you engage, and get memes posted, saying white guys claiming to engage is another no no......

Im not going anywhere until I get my BLUE passport....

teddyboy23 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Next door oddbins Sylvester's pearsppring and > maybe headmasters Be a shame to lose Next Door permanently....I think they've been a great addition

binkylilyput Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Totally spot on. Thanks so much. I love it when a > clever meme sums things up so accurately. Even > better when the person personified in the meme > chimes back in with EXACTLY the response that the > meme exemplified! > > So brilliant. I feel like I can stop reading and > feeling angry about this thread now > > > > eastdulwichavenger Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > This is the vibe I get from this thread dear oh dear. I feel so sorry for you.

We did shots from films, but the face of the character was obscured. And people have to name the film. The funny bit was that it was pics of family members obscuring the photo....lost of laughs at my father in law being forest Gump...or brother as Hannibal lecter.....

eastdulwichavenger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > So I won't be replying anymore, Hahaha. So you make one post with a meme that someone else has written. And you think you are 'replying'. How will we ever manage without your peurile contribution? And if its a 'one sided debate' then tell me what your issue is? And make it two sided. But evidence suggests that you have neither the intelligence or the fortitude to actually engage on the issue. You'd prefer to just wade in and have a go at me for reasons you clearly don't think you need to explain, becuase you're so caught up in your own self-righteousness to ever actually use any critical thought.

eastdulwichavenger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is the vibe I get from this thread Yeah that's right. Becuase a 'white guy' is asking questions we have to belittle and dismiss him, becuase he must just be a an 'oxygen theif', trying to wind people up. How dare he have the nerve to question what we know to be true. The entitlement that he's showing is evidence that he's a bad, bad person.

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you! You understand. The Cat offers no > solutions to anything but likes to express how > his/her feelings isn?t considered whilst not > considering others feelings and getting offended > when we tell him/her that. And this is precisely > why there is a book out called ?Why I?ve stopped > talking to white people about race? most > thankfully listen and take things on board but the > ones like The Cat are a source of frustration as > he/she literally doesn?t get it. I can?t make The > Cat get it. > > > eastdulwichavenger Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Surely you can see the parallels between what > > you're saying and the use of other derogatory > > names for POC. By denying the word itself you > are > > using your privilege to fight against it, a > > privilege that other people don't have to use > > agaisnt names and terms that are much more > > offensive and detrimentral. > > 'White privilege' isn't a term that has come > from > > years of oppression, quite the opposite, in > fact, > > so instead of fighting against it, acknowledge > it > > and use your privilege to fight for others, > > because by arguing against the word you're > > highlighting your privilege. When people don't 'get it' it might be becuase they disagree. Not becuase they don't understand. By branding anyone who disagrees with you as needing 'education' you're displaying a lack of ability to actually engage with them and have your arguments stand up to scrutiny. I've actually read 'why I've stopped talking to white people about race'...I think the whole concept is a disgrace. This is a serious issue that needs debate and interaction, but becuase someone questions it, the author refuses to engage? Martin Luther King would be ashamed.....

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I give up. > 🤦🏽‍♀️ Why? Once again....we agree on 90 percent of all this...but becuase I disagree on language...you're having a go at me? God forbid you have to debate an actual bigot....

gaslighting huh? im not offended. i crave debate and disagreement...thats how we improve ourselves. Yes, i dont know the alternative term...thats a whole discussion on its own. so ive said a number of times that i agree with the arguement, but all you want to do is attack me for not loving the terminology.....

again. im not sure. but this need to be offended by any questioning of the narrative is my entire point. ive just said that i AGREE with the concept of what is called white privilege...but i dont like the moniker. but all most people see is a white man denying white privilege....

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What term would ?you? prefer to be used to address > the advantage that a skin colour has over others? > > > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > So for people that value language...how is > 'white > > privelige' a constructive term? I get the > > concept....I know that I don't get pulled over > > when I drive to get bread....but why pick a > term > > that's clearly so divisive????.. I'm not sure. But as I said, I get the concept, and I'm not denying it. But surely you can't disagree that the term 'white privelige' just gets people backs up, who might otherwise be supportive......

So for people that value language...how is 'white privelige' a constructive term? I get the concept....I know that I don't get pulled over when I drive to get bread....but why pick a term that's clearly so divisive????..

Things won't be back to normal until we're abusing eachother...oh sorry...I mean 'civilly debating'....on a brexit thread on edf.....

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But you are still being nuanced. Social pressure > exists in many forms. Some people cave in to it, > others don't. So that is very much an individual > matter, linked often to issues around self esteem. > As for social media, most people just don't see > the point in wasting time arguing with armchair > bullies. There are better ways to spend ones time > and campaign for change. > > It would help I think if you gave an actual > example of 'uber progressive' language, and how > that leaves someone feeling they can not air their > view. Otherwise all of this is a bit vague to be > honest. The discussion needs detail and examples. Some examples.... https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/06/thou-shalt-not-criticise-black-lives-matter/

ED Bird Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You know what isn't a good look {no, of course you > don't} white people with their white privilege > showing their complete disregard for the injustice > black people face to this day. Between you posting > a thread with more concern for some white > journalist working for the BBC, PK dragging down a > serious topic just to feel that white power > coursing through his veins right now, & Malumbu > stealing the spotlight with his white fragility, > like a group of white people sitting around > singing kumbaya is the solution. It didn't work > then & it isn't working now. But every single one > of you just loves to throw the word "racist" > around when you're trying to make them choose a > political side, neither of which actually helps > the black community. You are the problem. Go back > & read those quotes by black men & find those > black women to understand why they will not side > with you no matter how much you accuse people of > racism. > > Be ashamed of yourselves that not a single one of > you bothered to break the silence & confront the > issue on systematic racism on a self-proclaimed > anti-fascist, labour voting forum. Not a single > one of you. > > > DulwichBorn&Bred is mixed race. If she's willing > to try, then WTF is your excuse? Sit your asses > down & be schooled. > > > > > {Quote removed because this wasn't aimed directly > at JohnL}. Great comment. Calling out the armchair activists who make their Instagram black and think they are a good person as a result.