TheCat

I'm with the OP on this one, its infuriating crawling down your street to see 'half sized' spaces everywhere.... If having less than a foot either end of your car sees you worried about being 'hemmed in', then I'd suggest you need to learn to drive and maneuver your car a bit better.

I couldn't really care less that leadsom has played the mother card. But it does amuse me that fathers get berated day after day..."dead beat dads" etc...but as soon as you question a mum, it's like you've poked a chilli pepper into someone's arse.....

Rook Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No Im not saying it means we will definitely be > fine, Im arguing that it doesnt mean we definitely > WONT be fine -which is clearly the > suggestion/expectation/conclusion already made by > Remainers who are posting the kind of content I > responded to. Thats my point. That shouldnt stick > in your craw, as we are in agreement re not > knowing yet. Maybe it means some are just more > positive than others, or understand it better ( > which i think shows evidence of being true of both > sides) Agree with Rook here. The general narrative on the main stream media is that Leave voters are less informed and swallowed the 'lies'. Well what about the Remain voters who have also swallowed the 'lies'? For example, that we will need an emergency budget (not happening), or that the world is going to cave in (not today anyway), or that anyone can accurately forecast GDP PER CAPITA when the population movements are so unpredictable, or that Nandos will have to close its doors in the UK (yep, some people did think that). My point is, there's stupid people on both sides, and there's well informed people on both sides. If the main stream media and social media treated women, ethnic groups or religious groups the way Leave voters have been collectively grouped they would be regarded as sexist, racist and bigoted. If you want to debate the issues, then fine, but Lets stop putting people in 'buckets, based on hearsay and anecdotes....

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Morons are ever with us sadly but beware, that > presenter works for Infowars, whose Publisher is > Alex Jones who is mostly known for a legendary > rabid pro gun shout up with Piers Morgan. > > It nearly made me like Piers Morgan... but not > quite > > Steveo...yes indeed, most of the infowars stuff is batsh!t crazy...so I agree on treading lightly with that...but the vid I posted I felt was pretty on the money with regards to some people I know!

amusing (well, depending on your viewpoint) video on the reaction to the referendum from some sections of the country...

The 'Travelodge' located where the Dog used to be is taking room bookings from late august.... https://www.innkeeperslodge.com/london-dulwich/ Not sure if that means the associated 'Harvester' opens at the same time....

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hilarious! > > We have all been taken for a ride by Posh Lindylou > - who actually posts on West Dulwich Forum as > boring east dulwich > > Posted by: lindylou 29 December, 2007 23:13 > > > Hi everyone in West Dulwich. I am new to this > forum. I have been posting on EDF as a new member > but find them v. strange. Don't get me wrong - I > am a working class lass, actually working in a > domestic environment in west dulwich for a very > nice family. In my previous working life I was a > legal secretary but actually became so stressed > with the job I suffered a near heart-attack. > Admittedly this was 30 or so years ago. I then > decided to enter domestic work (which has been in > our family for years) and find I enjoy this work > so much. I love people and looking after people. > However, I do love to keep up to date > pseudo-intellectually,and I also love to mix well > with people. I find the ED lot very brash, vulgar > and up their own A***ses, which I find upper > classes and lower classes at least have in common > (we cannot abide the middle man). Well either you > will accept my postings or not - I hope I can keep > you all informed of the latest in ED. Feel free to > read my posts on the ED forum. Much love. wow. not sure what to say to that, other than to warmly welcome back LindyLou....it should be entertaining if nothing else....

Rook Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Amen to The Cat! If the Leave Camp wants an equally weak and lame retort, perhaps they should claim that Dave Camerson is "Quittin' on Britain".... apologies, i couldnt help it

I bet some anonymous campaign worker was so pleased with him/herself, when they came up with the whole 'Brits dont quit' line that Dave Cameron keeps using. But I find it the most cringeworthy, weak and transparent soundbite out there. Oh no!, its not the British way to quit. What would Winston Churchill or Queen Victoria think of me? therefore I must stay......or maybe i'll use my brain instead to help make my decision....

Brilliant thread. Unfort the topic of kids, always causes amazing disagreement, as its hard to be objective when one hasn't witnessed the specific behavior themselves. But in general I do agree that parents who allow their kids to 'roam free' are often quick to blast anyone who suggests a little more control as 'unfriendly to kids'. There are shades of grey in this whole area, but it does amaze me what some parents will allow/justify because of kids. For example, the way some parents just stop in the middle of the road or pull across oncoming traffic to park wherever they like while dropping kids off at school I think is horrendously inconsiderate to other road users, but im sure if I complained I would get the standard 'I've got to drop my kids off!'...like that excuses almost any transgression of road rules or politeness. And before people start having a go at me, yes I too have kids, and drop them off at Nursery/school, and manage to do it with a little consideration for others.

Perhaps a stupid question, if I've got multiple garbage bags full of mixed rubbish which cant really be separated, is there a place to take these at these at the Southwark Recycling Centre? Looking at the website, it only seems to cover things that are all nicely separated, with nothing about general waste. There's no food waste, its just general cr@p from clearing out a few storage rooms. Basically its just normal rubbish, like people used to have before recycling centres!

Get a truck to stop a train carrying the stuff, then you and Jesse Pinkman can siphon some off into a tank buried in the ground....

I agree that the sentence handed to Brock Turner seems abhorrent, and a failure of the justice system. However, we should also recognize that society at large has condemned this sentence, all the media are talking about it, open letters from congressmen/women and from the VP of the USA. SO at least society at large does not accept this as justice, even if the judge in this case did. Not saying its right in any way, and hopefully will be adjusted on appeal, but it would be worse if we all just shrugged our shoulders.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Let's be honest, there are those on the leave side > that want to leave for all the racist reasons. But > that doesn't mean for a second that wanting to > leave is automatically racist. agreed. It just winds me up when some media and other try to paint it as such, which for people who are undecided has the impact of perhaps not letting them explore the decision properly, for fear of being branded a racist if they even look into the option of voting leave. It's shutting down debate to label all leavers as such and is not constructive

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > @thecat - that's not a strong economic argument in > favour of Brexit though. you seem to be saying > that there will be a negative economic impact, but > that it may be relatively short lived. Do you > think long term we'll be financially better off > and if so, why and on what evidence? agreed, its not a strong argument in favour of brexit, but it doesnt really favour remain much either. What im saying is that from what I've read, the economic impact either way is largely the same (apart from short term downturn in brexit case). So while the economic argument is the most important for me, my conclusion is that it doesnt matter either way. Therefore, my decision will be made based on the other factors...immigration, sovereignty etc etc

root Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > root Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > Actually you summed it up. The only reasons > to > > leave the EU are racist and xenophobic. > > > > As a solid Remainer, I would say that calling > the > > other side names really doesn't help. > > merely stating a fact. It's either ultra > nationalism, or xenophobia, or breaking free from > environmental regulations. There's not much else. I find that an astonishingly simplistic view of a very complicated debate. By your logic, then we should actually be pushing for a global union, where there is no such thing as borders or countries. We're all just Earthling's after all....

root Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Getting very sick of some media outlets and > people > > on social media implying that leaning towards > > voting to leave automatically means you're a > > racist or xenophobe. Because seemingly there > > couldn't possibly be any other reason that > might > > be a valid consideration for such a huge > economic, > > political, and social decision. > > ... > > Actually you summed it up. The only reasons to > leave the EU are racist and xenophobic. The > delusion that by virtue of being English you are > better than everyone else and Europe and the rest > of the world will crawl to you on their knees > begging to be invited to your birthday party. The > delusion that your kids and grandkids will have > more opportunities growing up on this island > (well, part of one after Scotland and Wales > secede) instead of part of a 500 million strong > and culturally and economically diverse > continent. > > Other reasons do exist, such as being a total > troglodyte who doesn't like European constraints > such as environmental policies whose long term > sustainability a free market or local short term > gains don't guarantee. the weather must be lovely in the utopian bubble in which you live....

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I haven't heard a convincing economic argument for > Brexit. I dont think that's an unreasonable comment, both sides have made a shambles of presenting a competent economic argument. For what it's worth, as a Leaver, my own thoughts on economics are this.... Having plenty of time on my hands, I've read the 90 page PwC report on the economic impact, and the IMF report as well. My simple takeaway is that the longer term economic impact is negligible and within the margin of forecasting error. All reports I've seen say GDP will be somewhere between 0.5% and 3% worse by ~2030 under a brexit scenario. On a 15 year forecast, in my view, these numbers are less than rounding errors with so many variables. Yes, some areas of the economy will suffer, and others will do better, but the overall impact to my mind is a wash. Also, I do concede that the shorter term uncertainty means there will likely be a slow down, possibly even a recession, in the immediate few years after brexit, from which we will recover and accelerate back towards the pre-brexit growth path in the ensuing years. Im making this decision based on the long term/once in a generation argument, hence the economic impact of brexit I dont think is a key differentiator to my decision. Also, having the ability to be able to better forecast population and demographics, will hopefully mean that our economlic forecasts can improve in accuracy themselves...

Getting very sick of some media outlets and people on social media implying that leaning towards voting to leave automatically means you're a racist or xenophobe. Because seemingly there couldn't possibly be any other reason that might be a valid consideration for such a huge economic, political, and social decision. The level of ignorance required for this viewpoint is only eclipsed by the racists themselves.

When I was a kid, my best mate's dad was a junk man's son. He had one of these with a big weld around the middle:)

root Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Following the BBC's 'Young people' debate last > > night....it strikes me that a number of the > 'young > > people' specials which I've seen from various > news > > services seem to show that a major concern for > > 'young people' is their ability to easily > travel > > (and perhaps work) across Europe? Perhaps its > just > > how the story's have been shown and the > > individuals that the news services have spoken > > with; but surely its a joke that the ability to > go > > on a visa free holiday to Europe is a key > driver > > of people's thought process on this when there > are > > the issues of public services and the economy > at > > stake? > > > > Travelers from Australia, NZ and the USA seem > to > > manage quite well to travel to Europe... > > > I work for a high tech company where we probably > have more English born people working on the > continent than Continentals such as myself working > in the UK. We're a bit of a fluke though as we're > a very specific technology and generally speaking > the UK does a good job at stealing talent from > Europe and than pats itself on the back on how > awesome the English are. Yeah, fair enough. But I also think that as with most counties in the world, if a business can make a case for the skills that they need to grow/succeed, then sponsorship or work visas usually arent a problem

Following the BBC's 'Young people' debate last night....it strikes me that a number of the 'young people' specials which I've seen from various news services seem to show that a major concern for 'young people' is their ability to easily travel (and perhaps work) across Europe? Perhaps its just how the story's have been shown and the individuals that the news services have spoken with; but surely its a joke that the ability to go on a visa free holiday to Europe is a key driver of people's thought process on this when there are the issues of public services and the economy at stake? Travelers from Australia, NZ and the USA seem to manage quite well to travel to Europe...

This is long one....if you dont have a few mins...move to the next thread... I realise I should have expected it from logging on to the Gruaniad website, but the following article has me seething... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/26/women-misogynist-trolls-feminist-internet A short rant required... 1. So now we have research which shows the the majority of 'misogynist' abuse towards women on the internet comes from young women, not from men. According to the article "now we know many trolls are young women, the searchlight shines on schools? failure to look after children?s well-being". Because, previously, when we thought it was mostly men throwing the abuse, we just thought the men need to learn to control themselves. Now we have to find someone other than the abusers to blame... 2. When referring to male online abusers, the author repeatedly refers to them as 'Sad, Angry Men'; but the implication is that the young women committing the abuse are lovely middle-class princesses; corrupted by the evil patriarchal world 3. The study reveals 10,000 messages in the UK with these abusive terms, so of the ~12m or so internet users and millions of twitter messages, its a drop in the ocean. But of course the PC brigade cant stand by without a parliamentary campaign. We all know there arent any other issues that our politicians could be focusing on. Don't get me wrong, I'm against any form of abuse, online or otherwise, it just winds me up when a national publication publishes this tripe in the name of 'social justice'.... Rant over. Sorry you had to bother reading if you even got this far.

So the Senior Engineer of PARKING projects wants to get rid of parking space...comforting....

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > PS: I look and sound the same as a normal > person > > So slacks, brogues and pink polo shirt on the > weekend... with a sweater casually draped over > your shoulders? Spot on Jeremy. I also carry a copy of the FT to swot away the little guys....