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geh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder if there are residents on the closed > roads (any of them) who may like the quietness and > change to their situation but do also harbour > concerns about the impact the changes are having > on their local retailers elsewhere? > > because I do! Yes, absolutely. We don't all support this scheme

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder if there are residents on the closed > roads (any of them) who may like the quietness and > change to their situation but do also harbour > concerns about the impact the changes are having > on roads and residents elsewhere. Yes, absolutely. We don't all support this scheme.

exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are solutions that keep residents, and > school children safe and businesses happy. > > Like what? Genuine question - what is the solution > that keeps everyone happy? > This has been asked before by others over on the > Healthy Streets thread where people are talking > about "holistic solutions" without actually coming > up with any "solution" (holistic or otherwise) > that is not just "reopen the streets so I can > drive anywhere I want". > > Sometimes it's masked behind "concerns" for the > elderly, the disabled, BAME and/or children but it > basically all boils down to "I am being > inconvenienced and that's terrible". > > There are countless studies from all over the > world that show that pedestrianising streets or at > least seriously restricting traffic along them > (whether that's via LTNs, one-way systems, > bus/taxi only etc) leads to more pleasant retail > environments, higher average spend and higher > number of visits. Most shopkeepers dramatically > over-estimate how many customers arrive by car > (because a lot of vehicle movement is > through-traffic that has zero benefit to the area > but does make it look busy). > > But what is this mythical solution? Genuine > question - I'm interested! > Again, it got mentioned elsewhere but every single > person sitting in a traffic jam is saying to > themselves "this is terrible, they (as in the > council, the Government) should do something about > it, they (as in every other driver) should be > walking or cycling or travelling outside rush > hour". But never that they (the person behind the > wheel) should change their travel habits, not be > driving 2km, not be making three trips when one, > better planned one could suffice... > > And now that something is being done about it, the > answer is to re-open all roads immediately? > > There are a load of factors in this. We're in a > climate crisis. We're in breach of all sorts of > UK, EU and WHO targets / limits on pollution. > We're in a pandemic - one that is quite closely > linked to air quality but has also had a major > impact on travel patterns. > The traffic models are currently struggling to > catch up to a massive change from "the daily > commute" / "the school run" (via whatever means > that takes) to "only essential travel" to the > current rather mixed message about trying to get > back to work and school but trying to avoid public > transport but also trying not to all jump into > cars - which would result in gridlock whether the > roads were closed or not. > > I don't think there's one answer to any of this, I > think there's a range of answers - some of which > will work better in some areas than others - but I > also KNOW that there's early disruption and > complaints to be expected because this happens > globally as soon as you try things like this. It > happened in The Netherlands 40-50 years ago when > they started moving away from their initial plans > of roads and cars everywhere; it happened in New > York when they pedestrianised Times Square and > brought in a bike-share scheme; in San Francisco > when bike lanes were introduced at the expense of > car parking... Worldwide, you get this graph: > > https://image.slidesharecdn.com/badnewscycle-15101 > 5144811-lva1-app6891/95/bad-news-cycle-el-ciclo-de > -malas-noticias-1-638.jpg?cb=1444920800 > > I'm not saying that the closures are all right and > perfect but actually, as a process, this is the > ideal situation. It's far easier and cheaper to > introduce temporary change, model it, consult on > it as it happens, be able to physically SEE the > changes (good and bad), adjust it than it is to > simply keep digging up bits of road in futile > attempts to micro-manage (like DV junction, > Loughborough Junction etc). > > And if you want some advice on changing things, as > a business you can keep (accurate) diaries of > things like visitor numbers, spend, footfall and > so on and you have some data to show to council > about how it's affected you / your business. > Anecdotes don't count for a lot... You get a better response to change when you have buy-in from those affected. Prove your case, explain what you're doing and facilitate recourse. Don't hide.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ExDulwicher - you make some very salient points in > your post, many of which I completely agree with. > The biggest problem the council has right now is > two-fold: one of credibility the other of carpet > bombing. > > The credibility narrative, or lack thereof, was > set some while ago with the CPZ "consultations" > when the council was felt, by many, to have > railroaded their plans for East Dulwich through > against the will of the majority of residents > across East Dulwich. They were seen to manipulate > the system to their advantage (and the benefit of > those most vocal advocates), tried to dampen any > dissenting voices (I remember very well the > debacle of the CPZ meeting at the library) and > tried to divide and conquer the naysayers. > > Then came the OHS "consultation" and the plans for > Dulwich Village and the voices of dissent became > more vocal but once again the council used the > myriad of tactics at their disposal to try to > silence the voices. > > Then came Covid and everything changed. Even the > most ardent petrolhead could see that car usage > would increase on the back of the fallout and > things would need to change. But instead of > creating new Covid plans the council just said - > "we're going ahead with those plans that were > already in the hopper". AT the same time they > neglected any of the most pressing needs of the > area such as providing social distancing on > Lordship Lane. > > The perception was that with the TROs the council > said, right, "here's our opportunity" and they > misjudged the mood of the majority of the people. > They carpet bombed closure plans left, right and > centre and people said, "hang on a minute - we > have lives to live and we are the ones being > impacted by this". Then came OneDulwich and this > galvanised cross-Dulwich support for people who > wanted a more balanced discussion and finally > there was a group that could not be ignored by the > council. > > Suddenly, those who felt they were being > overlooked and ignored had a voice. At the same > time the advocates for change were dancing in the > nearly formed squares and heralding the end of the > car and beginning of the cycling nirvana many > dreamed of. This antagonised a lot of people whose > day to day live was being disrupted by the > closures. > > It was clear that the first round of DV closures > had created more congestion and pollution and that > was before schools returned and people even > thought about returning to work. Meanwhile the > council pushed forward with the plans for more > closures (yet acknowledged they had received a lot > of negative feedback). > > So here we are today with a council that has > created a lot of the problems for itself and much > of it comes down to a lack of communication with > the constituents and they face a massive uphill > battle trying to convince a lot of people that > what they are doing is in everyone's best > interests. People don't trust them. > > Everyone I am meeting at the moment is saying the > same thing: "What has the council done to the > traffic" and not "The traffic is a lot worse due > to Covid". And that is a very deep political hole > to try and climb out of. > > You rightly say that there isn't one single thing > to get us out of the conundrum but the problem is > that the council has used a single instrument to > try and resolve it and it is a blunt one at that. Rockets is right, it's here in black and white. http://moderngov.southwarksites.com/documents/s89803/Report%20Streetspace%20Plan.pdf Southwark looking to reduce car use by 50% and using the excuse of covid lockdown (which we're no longer in) for doing so. It's an ambitious target but their decisions, planning and execution are very poor. Doing everything at once (cpz, ltns) while trains are being avoided by many and buses unreliable on the even more clogged up arterial routes. No modelling or data to inform likely outcomes. No upfront communication and then only of decisions made without consultations. No dialogue once decisions implemented. Ignoring businesses which have had a horrid year. There is traffic volume monitoring happening but no air quality (before and after) especially on the roads which have got much worse (which have many residents and schools). There seems to be a 'we know what's best for you (and our coffers) ' attitude from southwark. I would support a strategy which would reduce unnecessary car use and pollution in East Dulwich. Extension of ULEZ is more equitible and the EV revolution will see improvements long term. These hyperlocal measures do not serve the community as a whole imo.

To me this document states Southwark will use covid lockdown (which we're out of for now) to expedite plans to reduce car use by 50% in the Borough. Its a bold target, being executed poorly, and with little/no consultation of Southwark's constituents. http://moderngov.southwarksites.com/documents/s89803/Report%20Streetspace%20Plan.pdf So yes, a war on car use, certainly.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Would not authenticate my neighbours house. It > said it did not exist. I cannot pay for a permit > either. Similar problems... First, using a mobile device, it only returned one address for my postcode. On a PC (using Edge browser) it found my address but, despite our electoral role info not changing for about 10 years, my address wasn't verified. I had to upload a council tax bill (which I guess was manually checked) then a few days later I was able to order a permit - wasn't notified, just had to check. A bad joke of a system.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Metallic Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > rahrahrah Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Yet people on this thread are claiming that > > > Dulwich Village is back to back trafffic?! > > > > I went to look this morning. Yes, back to back > to > > back to back to back, coaches, cars and vans. > > What fun to breathe that in if you live in > those > > cottages opposite the Dog. > > I passed through the Village on foot at 8:30 this > morning and it was extremely quiet. What time were > you there? > > It seems that some people are claiming that all > the traffic has been diverted from the Village to > the South Circular and others are claiming the > Village is at a stand still with back to back > traffic. Meanwhile people are pointing to maps > published in the Mail. > > Walk over there and just see for yourselves. I took a video at 8.47 this morning on Dulwich Village. Solid traffic from Gallery Road roundabout to the EDG lights. You must've just missed it rah, most vehicles were vans and lone commuters which perhaps explains andrewc's photos; not parents living down the road but working people who maybe unlikely or unable to change their commute. My kid is injured so we tried hopping on a bus but they weren't letting kids on - presumably shielding other bus users - which reduces options for those further afield or with multiple school drop offs. This traffic build up is mainly due to the Calton Ave. Barrier which has had weeks to 'bed in' so not much evidence of people changing their MO. I took the vid because the Melbourne, Derwent, Elsie and Tintagel barriers went in today so I wanted to share with my neighbours what will become of EDG, Grove Vale and Lordship. I agree with Rockets, ULEZ extension and the EV revolution will clean the air better.

On Melbourne Grove the proposal includes adding 30m of double yellow lines to allow turning, removing 6 parking spaces.

Starts 14th September https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking/parking-projects/east-dulwich-parking-study-and-healthier-streets-consultation

This must be the best outcome for the club given the situation it ended up in ie. Beholden to an unscrupulous, greedy developer with no real interest in preserving Dhfc (indeed actively trying to destroy it at one point). The development doesn't seem too different from the original proposal in terms of size and scope (Meadow will still make a lot of money) but the difference this time must be the assurances secured for the future of the club and a better design for the outside space. For those lamenting the loss of the AstroTurf (we'll miss it too) it's worth checking out this plan for the public rec spaces now included in the design (link below) . 219 new households is a big addition to the area so I hope transport can improve in step. https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/files/B17C356624DD40BAC8EE8D89DEE4B9FC/pdf/19_AP_1867-SPATIAL_DEFINITION_AND_PLAYSPACE-906922.pdf

Can anyone recommend a bricklayer to repair and possibly replace some damaged bricks on an external wall of our house. We may need to replace a small window sill too. Please reply here or DM me. We'll need references. Thanks.

Groupings by age sue? Not sure, couldn't find it on the KCL-zoe site but there's some more data here: https://covid.joinzoe.com/data Seems the infection rate is higher in the North of England than London at the moment.

Some findings from the C19 app. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52770313 Cases peaked around April 1st. Cases rose thereafter as infected people stayed home and infected other family members. Unsurprisingly, large gatherings lead to spikes in cases. Loss of smell is a common symptom.

Yes it's in Play Store. If you click the link in the OP it takes you to the website explaining the app and a link to the app in play store and appstore. I had a quick look in the FAQs and it seems there is no non-smartphone version but they're working on it. I believe play store apps work on SOME chromebooks. UK govt seems it will move towards track and trace to help ease lockdown and I hope they extend this app to do that although it was implied today they've come up with a new app. Personally, I'll use both as I'm convinced but the work KCL are doing with this app.

PeckhamNicola Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does it allow you to look backwards? Symptoms have > been and gone. I don't believe it does. It asks if you have been tested then whether you feel normal. I don't know what happens if you say "yes" I've been tested or "I'm not feeling right"

You register with your age gender and an email if I remember rightly. Then you just answer 2 questions each day. Have you been tested? Whether you have symptoms? That's it. It shares that anonymous data and your location with KCL. More info here https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/webinar-covid-research. You can also report on behalf of other people eg. Vulnerable people who might not have or use a smartphone

That's disappointing Sue. I'm on an android phone and it's been working OK. Please DM me if you'd like me to try and help. I have no vested interest or connection to the KCL team but its something we can all do (when it works), takes no effort and is really helping Dr's understand the virus.

https://covid.joinzoe.com This app is for the general public to check in (EVEN IF THEY ARE WELL) and allows Kings College to map outbreaks of the virus. The more people that use it the better their data and modelling will be. The app does nothing sinister or commercial, It has been created as a very valuable tool in tracking the virus. The data is very useful for mapping the virus spread and modelling how we might safely exit the current lock down. Please download and start using it today, it takes about 1 minute to check in. They have over 2m users already in UK but need more. ADMIN: please pin this post.

Police patrolling dulwich Park yesterday, I spoke to them about how they are applying the rules. In Southwark, police are allowing ONE form of exercise in public places. So if you cycle to the park that's your exercise and you can't then kick a ball around (as I was doing with my son). The officer said this discourages larger gatherings or organised meetings of people who don't live together, as was happening on another football pitch. The policeman was very polite but they are monitoring activity and will close the parks if people don't comply.

Yeah the bloke I saw putting a bottle of wine in his jacket in Marks was just out for the essentials. When I challanged him he just shouted "yeah im nicking it". 2 staff pretty powerless and I was with my 6 year old so didn't want to escalate. Casual criminality defo on the increase.

If you are this person or know them please ask them to come and turn off their alarm which has been going since 3am this morning. https://video.nest.com/clip/f9e73a79c325445e82e6bf1d197f7ee5.mp4 Obviously this is very disruptive since we can't even leave the house,

Only 7 matches in the vanarama national league have been postponed, dhfc is not one of them. https://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/match-info/fixtures The FA have advised it is up to each league to decide whether to cancel their own fixtures.

Update: Cabinet approves CPZ as proposed. http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50021413&Opt=0 Received this email today: Good morning, I am writing in response to your representation, or request for project updates, to the East Dulwich Controlled Parking Zone. In accordance with Regulation 13 of The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 the council has considered your representation and a decision has been taken by the relevant decision maker as set out in the Southwark Council?s constitution. Consideration of the representation Your representation was considered by The Cabinet Member for Environment, Transport and the Climate Emergency on 23 December 2019. Summary of decision In consideration of any objections received, the council has: Determined each of the objections included in the correspondence, in line with the reasoning in Appendix 1 of the report Decided to make the traffic management order as originally proposed. Reasons for decision The reasons for the decision can be found here. Traffic Orders: In view of the above, the council will make the following orders and a notice of making will be published: The London Borough of Southwark (Parking places) (Parking zone 'ED') (No. *) Order 202* The London Borough of Southwark (Free parking places) (No. *) Order 202* The London Borough of Southwark (Free parking places) (Solo motor cycles) (No. *) Order 202* The London Borough of Southwark (Waiting and loading restrictions) (Amendment No. *) Order 202* Further information For further details on the project including the latest programme information, please see the project webpage here. Should you require any further information, please contact us via email at [email protected]. Kind regards, Rebecca Barkham Project Manager Highways | Department Environment & Leisure London Borough of Southwark PO Box 64529, London SE1P 5LX Visitors: 160 Tooley Street, SE1 2QH