Well at least you seem to have thought a little more than you apparently did before your last two posts. I joined the discussion as I find it irritating when someone posts something detailed and on topic, and receives a snide one-liner in reply. You have not justified your comment :- "" But at a design meeting, fight clever and fight on design, not the rest of the issues." That reeks if self interest.......nice" Katgod set out what are apparently "givens" then went on to explain that the meeting was about design. "Decreed" does not betray any fact. As for "If it was about design you would say..." - no, I would have said something like what katgod said in katgod's third paragraph.