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Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I noticed for the first time doing an online shop > that restrictions have been implemented on how > many of an item you could buy. Maximum three. Supermarkets are expecting panic buying if there is no deal and expect that to be compounded by delays in imports deliveries. There is a real risk of shortages of fresh food if it is no deal.

Some excellent points by Sephiroth and others there. The fundamental question to ask here is, what do those pushing for Brexit really want and why. This has always been a Tory Party battle for a very good reason. It is the battle of a big business mantra that seeks optimum profit, minimal regulation that it sees as a barrier to that, and demands as little taxation as possible. What do those wealthy pushers of Brexit really want? The UK to become some offshore tax haven. They have never cared how that would impact on the public or anyone else. People like Dyson want corporation tax abolished for example. Yes that is right, big business paying no tax. He also wants the freedom to hire and fire at will without compensation to the worker, so no job protection for employees either. This is what these people want. A race to the bottom for the rest of us, while they boost their own coffers. Is this what people voting for Brexit wanted? As others have said, the idea of sovereignty as they sold it, is a nonsense. ALL trade deals comes with regulatory alignment. Even with fish, most of what our fishermen catch is sold to the EU! How many of them will be screaming from Jan 1st when they can't land that fish on the continent and compete in EU markets because tariffs just made their catch a whole lot more expensive. That is if they can even get it into the EU after days of being sat in a lorry queue at some port or customs border. There is one question I have consistently asked leave voters through all this, and never got any answer. What exactly do they think will change for the better in a way that will directly impact them after we leave? Our economy will still be beholden to big corporations and tax dodgers, just as it is now. We will still see trillions in tax avoidance by them. Just what do we gain in real terms? Because right now, there is a long list of everything we lose, and didly squat on the gain side.

This is what typifies everything that is wrong with a certain Brexit view. Those who think a hit is fine, but won't say how long that can be expected to be, and then go on about risk aversion when the kinds of jobs at risk are not their job. There are areas that rely heavily on UK exports for local jobs. No deal will be an exercise in self harm that will hurt those regions hardest. There is no B plan to save any of them. The country is run by hedge fund managers who believe in the myth of trickle down economics while avoiding tax in offshore accounts.

I agree that the club have worked to kick racism out but you only have to look at the Supporters Club statement to see the doubling down and denial.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That isn?t what I said. > > I described why people voted the way they did in > 2016 - which is the exact opposite of you saying > ?most ardent brexiter said there would be > problems? > > But you view them as idiots which is... > instructive If we end up with no deal, there will be a conservative voter backlash, that is guaranteed. I personally know quite a few conservative voters that voted leave but expected there to be a trade deal, so that their small businesses could carry on trading. Anecdotal I know but they will have a lot to say if nothing is sorted.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah blah....Your question is emblematic of many > remainer attitudes, in my view. A discomfort with > uncertainty. That's a fair position, but I believe > that many remainers are risk aversse and prefer > the certainty of the status quo. Sorry but that is a cop out and emblematic of leavers lack of interest in details. How long matters to business. 10,000 road haulage firms for example, small exporters reliant on EU trade. 44 percent of our export trade in fact. Will you be losing YOUR job in the short term? I am guessing not.

What the players did was a statement against racism. Those booing were either too stupid to understand that, or are racists. Given Millwall's track record on some of their fans and racism, I am going to wager the latter.

Define 'short term'. Months, years, decades, what?

That's a really good lock, one of Trelock's most secure. Hopefully it finds a good home :)

The problem with mice is that they multiply fast and by fast, that is tenfold over a matter of months. They also chew through just about anything, including electrical wiring. More importantly, they carry disease in their urine, droppings and saliva. So as Seabag says, you have to get rid of them. How you do that depends on how bad the numbers are and whether or not there are nests in the walls and/ or under the floorboards.

Theory one. If Boris comes back with no deal, he is definitely toast. After 1 month of the chaos that ensues, he will be pushed out, probably to be replaced by Sunak, with whom the EU will reopen negotiations, and a deal will be done. Theory two. He settles for a deal and the ERG throw a temper tantrum over the concessions we all know he is going to have to make on fishing etc. He clings on, but for how long? Theory three. Everyone wakes up and it is 2010 again. It was all just a terrible dream ;)

It's human nature to want to stay alive Seabag. And who wouldn't try and get as high up the queue as they can for a limited supply of a potentially life saving vaccine? It is going to take some time though, even to get the first phase rollout completed, so some patience is going to be needed. If things go well, that is to say, several vaccines come online and they all work well, then it should speed up that first phase rollout. Otherwise it could take most of next year to complete phase one. The UK's biggest hopes are pinned on the Qxford vaccine ultimately.

Yes, report it to Police as you have a number plate. They can track the owner immediately and pay them a visit.

Yes, Johnson has a difficult month ahead, irregardless of what happens. And as he is talking directly with Ursula Von Der Leyen now, the final decision will be on him personally. Even on the vaccine front, they are overplaying their hand. The vaccines ordered from Pfizer are a one off order that will be delivered gradually over time. The reality is that we may only see 800,000 shots in the near future, well short of the millions ordered. So this is not a magic bullet by any means. And there are real logistical problems with getting that vaccine out to care homes.

Also, how on earth do police catch one if they want to enforce the law? Some of this is down to people being priced out of safer forms of transport, especially for the young. Insurance companies have made driving a pipe dream for the young, unless they have parents who can pay for their insurance or incredibly well paid jobs. So for me, it is more than being about addressing illegal vehicles, but also about asking questions around options for people who want to use the roads, get about inexpensively.

Yeah I got this email too, and with expecting parcels to arrive for xmas presents etc, had a good look at it. But as with always with phishing emails, the sender email is always the giveaway. Plus no courier ever charges the recipient for redelivery, and leaves a card on failure of the first delivery.

Effra Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Agreed it does not control when an > individual country commences its roll out of an > approved drug, but that is beside the point. But is not besides the point. Hungary have already gone ahead and ordered the Russian vaccine. So there is one EU member not waiting for the EMA to decide for them. What Mogg et al were saying in reality, is that if the UK were still part of the EMA, we would be playing ball and waiting for their decision. However, that is not what they implied by their comments. They distinctly gave the impression that membership of the EU would have held up the rollout of a vaccine. This is blatantly not true.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rule number 1 of being a remainer on the > EDF.....never, ever admit there may be the finest > thread of truth to anything remotely positive said > about brexit.... Rule number 2...... never ever let a Brexiter get away with mistruths, especially when they double down. FACT There was no requirement for EU member states to agree a unified moment for rolling out a vaccine. FACT EU member states are free to make that decision for themselves if they want to. FACT Mogg, Dorries and Hancock all lied when they implied that if we had not left the EU we would still be waiting for permission to roll out the vaccine.

It's a difficult one isn't it. Everyone wants the extra speeds and bandwidth of mobile technology, but no-one wants the rather ugly masts in their immediate line of sight. No right or wrong here, just the practical difficulty of finding places to put the masts.

jimlad48 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So in other words you think we can tax the living > daylights out of the online high street and thats > all thats needed? Thats a very 'optimistic' > approach that will end in tears. > > If you want a world class NHS then you need to > open the economy up - every day you delay is > making it harder and harder to recover from this > self-inflicted disaster. Taxes have been arguably too low for some time. You can't have good public services and ever falling taxes. At the same time, the wage gap has been increasing. The top ten percent are responsible for more than half the income tax receipts collected. As for the NHS, we spend less on universal healthcare than most other countries in Europe but get extremely good value from it.

Jimlad, you just don't understand what the problem really is do you? We have 9 million people over the age of 70 in the UK. 1 in 20 of those who get covid, die (according to available data so far). Now let's see how that scales up to half that age group getting infected. That is potentially at least 400k deaths. Now add the many more that need ICU treatment but recover. We do not have that NHS capacity....nothing like it. No country in the world does. THAT is why most of it have shut down their economies. If you really think governments willingly trash their economies then you must live in an alternate universe. Stop looking at the numbers of death as they are, because they have been kept down by the restrictions and ask yourself how much higher you would be prepared to see them go so that you can have less restrictions. When you have decided what your personal limit is, come back to me and we can discuss how palatable that would be to both the public and a government who will seek re-election in four years time.

The same people vilifying Rita Ora are defending Laurence Fox after he boasted about breaking covid rules by holding a lunch party. Interesting how you fail to mention the latter, when both are headline news today. https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/piers-morgan-slams-selfish-laurence-23090261 Maybe you want to extend the discussion to the entitlement of both? And then we can look at how one instantly apologised and offered to pay any fine imposed, and the other doubled down and made a dig at the NHS, and decide who is the biggest tw@t in the end. For the record, I think they both should be fined and made examples of. But hard to justify that when MPs and government advisors (on all sides) get away with it I suppose.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > E-scooters create a couple of > challenges due to the speeds and acceleration and > their upright riding position creates a centre of > gravity issue that means they can become unstable > very quickly. This is the issue. These scooters come in different sizes with different size wheels etc. The smaller they are, the more unstable they are, the poorer the braking torque etc. The twist and go accelerator is also an issue if it only goes from zero to top speed. Without enforcement of regulation, the market is being flooded with cheap, smaller e-scooters and it is those that are going to lead to some casualties. Sure, there are casualties with all forms of road use. But that does not mean we should throw safety out of the equation and not have these discussions.

Actually they are not legal anywhere on the public highway. Only the rented ones are legal and you have to have a driving licence and insurance to legally use one. Police just aren't enforcing the law, probably because they are difficult to catch if they don't stop voluntarily. I nearly had a collision with one on Rye Lane a month ago. On my bicycle, he zipped out from behind a cyclist coming the other way and only avoided a accident by inches. Another problem are electric bikes that are more like mopeds. They can do speeds of 20-30 mpr, but have no plates, also illegal, but used increasingly by takeaway delivery riders. They ride on pavements and pedestrian areas too. Some enforcement is needed.

That is an interesting perspective Effra, but as you point out, the USA's global dominance was short lived, compared to European Empires. The truth is that capitalism is in an extreme form, in a time where oligarch philanthropy is no longer acceptable. So it either comes back to the center ground, or it fails, with all the end game chaos that ensues. Back to the masters of the universe to decide I guess (and yes I jest).