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Yes you run away now. Anything to avoid answering that question right?

And there you go again, avoiding answering the core question and resorting to insult. So c'mon, let's have an answer. How many people are you prepared to see die (or impacted for life with lung damage) before you think restrictions are needed. What is your benchmark?

Facebook and other platforms hiding behind the US constitution should have done something a long time ago. There is still plenty of material referencing Q Anon and other conspiracy theories all over them. In short, until they change their business models, from ones that encourage clickbait, they haven't really addressed the core problem. TE44, you keep presenting these ad hoc incidents as some kind of argument for doing away with the restrictions, so I ask you again, how many people are you prepared to see die (or impacted for life with lung damage) before you think restrictions are needed. What is your benchmark? It is a simple question, but you never seem to want to answer it.

But you do Clutterqueen. You wrote an incorrect statement as though it were fact when there was no basis for doing do. Worse than that, you did it with no consideration for any of the valid points being made. It is almost akin to trolling.

Where people can not do their own readings PP, the GP has a duty to arrange or advise of an alternative. Receptionists should be trained in the advice to offer. This is how local healthcare is supposed to operate. I would go back to the surgery and ask for an alternate arrangement explaining no pharmacy can be found to do it. If they do not provide one. I would make a complaint.

Why won't your GP surgery do one? If you need a repeat prescription then your GP has a duty to provide what you need for that. General healthcare has not stopped. So I would question that.

Have already gone through this with TE44, who seems to think viruses stand still at any given moment and fails to understand the difference between seasonal viruses and one that is active all the time. The usual winter flu intake will happen, and we'll see how effective this years flu vaccine is when it does. Meanwhile, we have daily exponential growth of covid as the public become more complacent. Easy enough for anyone to understand I should think.

Yes, that is what happens when someone won't accept the evidence presented to them. You know full well that influenza is one of the most monitored viruses on the planet, but your cognitive dissonance is so pronounced you think you know better than decades of highly qualified people doing that research and collecting that data. You keep repeating the same nonsense as a result.

It is arguable that opening windows on buses and trains will not really do anything to mitigate spread, given how confined the space is on those vehicles and how close people generally sit or stand to each other.

Here we go again. The world reports flu figures annually. The average deaths from flu each year form ALL of those reports going back decades is 500,000. I have linked you to those annual reports before. Stop playing games. It is getting very tedious now.

Here we go again. The world reports flu figures anuallly. The average deaths from flu each year form ALL of those reports going back decades is 500,000. I have linked you to those annual reports before. Stop playing games. It is getting very tedious now.

TE44, people suddenly getting ill and filling ICU wards with a novel virus IS proof of a pandemic. I ask you again, because you have never actually answered the question, how many people have to flood hospitals and die before you define a pandemic? A million globally have already died (twice the annual death rate of flu in 9 months), but that it seems is not enough for you. This is the first time a global pandemic has been mitigated in this way, with restrictions and lockdowns and mass ongoing testing, monitoring and mitigation. But the process has been used on local levels for other smaller pandemics. So it is not an unknown science. It is clear, that if you let this virus spread freely, so that most people get it, more people will end up in ICU and more people will die. On the ongoing malarky around data collection, this is always going to be fraught with difficulties unless every person is tested and with a test that is almost 100 percent accurate. The issue with the government approach is their insistence that tracking and tracing is centrally organised, over running a localised system. They are wedded to big contracts to their favoured contractors in other words, over using a system that is known to work much better and gives resources to local authorities and local health trusts. And for that, they can not be forgiven.

Nowhere does it say he has been sacked, nor is Sue asking for that to happen. Clear enough for you?

Everything you post points to the overall conspiracy you believe in, New World Order, false data, a big plot to ruin the economy and impoverish us all. All of the cranks you site, and they are cranks, are part of that narrative. And yes, I have qualification to challenge any of the science that ANY of these so called sources you point to cite.

You are very predictable TE44. Look at the site you are linking to. 'Description: The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) is is a Montreal-based independent research and media group of progressive writers, academics and activists who are critical of globalisation and the New World Order.' In other words, just about as biased a narrative as one can find. As for Dr Heiko Schoning, he is another one deliberately lying to you about the science.

I don't know how else the message can be got through to those who flout the current regulations in this way. 10k is a lot of money to most people to be fair, but no, will never equal the value of a life. Somewhere along the way, the messaging has gone wrong. Young people who fail to see that although they may be at low risk of dying, they need to be part of the effort to stop the spread. It is the two week incubation period that I think needs to be emphasised, but of course, that has the danger of terrifying other people from going anywhere near others at all. I think every government is struggling with getting the balance right, and people have to take responsibility for their own behaviour too.

And there you go again, making stuff up. Yet not a single person in Biden's team has tested positive. Funny that eh? Not to mention your complete inability to understand how the virus spreads it seems.

Robbie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The email I provided disproves your statement. > > I'm not sure why you couldn't, and still can't > bring yourself to admit the fact that it's > questionable. > > Mind you, the way you seemingly laugh at the > theories involving children, aggressively > attacking those who mention it is alarming and > very suspicious. No it does not. And yes, I will laugh at 'theories' that are the invention of some bored armchair conspiracy theorists, whether they involve children or not. So will most people who understand the difference between that and credible corroborated evidence. Read this yet? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-65000-hot-dogs/ Need any more links that show the pizzagate theory for the nonsense it is, or are you going to double down yet again?

This is for you Robbie, Save yourself before it is too late. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-65000-hot-dogs/

So that is a yes then. Everything is a conspiracy to you. The only fact here, is that most of Trump's campaign team, went into active campaigning with complete disregard for the advice sensible people have been following for months, and low and behold, caught the virus. That should be perfectly easy to understand.

What evidence? You have provided nothing! And you can ditch the troll reverse psychology too. You come onto a forum and try to claim that some ridiculous nonsense about pizza and hotdogs dreamed up by Trump sycophants implicates innocent people in criminal acts, and dare to ask me for evidence to disprove you? There are accounts in existence for everything spent by every President and government office. Had it ever occurred to you that catering bills for the government runs in millions? No of course it hadn't. You are so far into the rabbit hole you have lost all grasp on reality. That you then double down when called out on it is just embarrassing for you.

And so what? That is what a virus does, jumps from person to person. Some people can be even completely asymptomatic and shed huge loads of virus, and that is precisely why all the stuff about social distancing, masks and washing hands is in play. But for some reason, a whole bunch of people at the Whitehouse think none of that applies to them, and yes, that may also include some visitors from the media. In that case, what did you think was going to happen once Trump and his team started active campaigning? Going to rallies? Engaging with a wider public? Do you really think an invisible virus was going to say 'hey boys, don't touch the President and his team'. Do you ever stop seeing conspiracies in anything?

Robbie, this is just getting silly now. In no way is Obama involved with, or ever has been involved with, the trafficking of children. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Given that half the top people in the campaign team are now testing positive John L, it presents some major problems for the campaign. One other is also in hospital, so even if Trump pulls through (easily or otherwise), if anyone else dies or experiences serious illness, there will be major consequences for the campaign. These are people who played down every stage and facet of this pandemic, and Trump himself has been just disrespectful at times. Will they change direction in their messaging now? We shall see.

Just to add EDguy, that the nonsense about Wayfair furniture, is directly evolved from the nonsense about pizza deliveries in the John Pedosta emails. That is where it started and given that it is wikileaks that leaked those emails, every conspiracy theorists favourite go to source, it becomes pretty easy to follow the trajectory of these cults. Also typical of cults, is the obsession with symbolism and secret signs, another facet that pervades the Q Anon cult.