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Sorry TheCat, but I don't think you are intending for anything of the sort, and on this forum, that is broadly speaking, liberal centrists fending off the likes of uncleglen with his Tommy Robinson book of opinions. It has been done to death on the Brexit threads in fact already. Odd as well, how you are targeting left intolerance when the right are equally guilty of that. Nothing to say about that? It is not the left that are driving the World towards isolationist populism at the moment is it? Let's have a conversation about that instead. About the jingoism of the likes of Farage, that has emboldened racists and thugs. Let's talk about the disregard for law and press and Parliamentary process those populists are displaying, from Trump to Oban, not to mention Boris driving to break an international treaty. Seriously, change the reoord.

So now you want to play word salad TheCat, pitting the sanitisation of the inroads being made by ideas from the harder right into the mainstream, while in the same breath, drawing analogies between trans activism and fascism? You only have to look at the next post to see what door you are opening. The only question is, are you doing so deliberately?

Cheaper to buy a conversion kit for a regular bike.

Why would you want to know, let alone discuss that in a public forum? Perhaps have some consideration for the immediate family (if any exist) who would not want that turned into a public discussion, if indeed it happened.

A consultation is a meaningful exercise in consideration of a wide range of views and impact analysis. That has not been done as Peckham Vision have clearly outlined. Inviting those who agree with that to sign a petition does not require Eileen or any other individual to say what they would contribute to a meaningful consultation at this stage. That should be simple enough to understand. Then you then go on to confirm that your real aim is to personally attack Eileen, over discussing the principle of the petition itself. Where it not for Eileen, Peckham High Street would have been turned into a huge bypass decades ago. Have a think about that. It is up to you to get involved in consultations if you want to counter other views. Attacking Peckham Vision and specifically Eileen for what they do is pointless. The tram depot was always a bad idea. The size alone, with it's proximity to a dense residential area, among other things. If you look at the detail around at the time, there was a blatant lack of consultation and a stitched up planning process. The law provides for objection to that sort of practise, so you can't attack anyone for getting together to use that freedom. Besides, as a project, it was never a goer anyway. There was never any money for it.

Give it up Artful. You are being deliberately provocative now. Peckham Vision are asking for a better consultation. They don't answer to you.

Same here. I avoid all badly lit parks after peak hour darkness. If there are people there, walking dogs, cycling etc, then fine, but otherwise, best to stick to where you can be seen.

The key as always is going to be enforcement. I cycled home along Rye Lane a few nights ago and could see at least three restaurants not observing either the distancing or the capacity rules. Who is going to police that stuff? The same is true of mask wearing. Half the passengers on the buses aren't wearing one, or are not wearing it correctly. Until someone is responsible for enforcing these things, they will all fail to prevent the inevitable Winter spike.

That's a conversation for the consultation Artful. This thread is not the consultation.

I think it is very clear what Eileen is asking for Artful. A meaningful consultation where local people can explore viable ideas that serve the local area best, as opposed to yet another get rich quick scheme for a corporate developer. There are more than enough examples of bad deals for Londoners that this and other councils have entered into.

Go Ape are very good at what they do and that might not be a bad idea. Crazy golf could work but no-one is going to do that in the winter when it is cold and wet. So I think it could be a seasonal use and the equipment can be stored in winter. There are a wide range of lawn games that could be tried out at other times of the year. And there is also no reason why it couldn't be different things on different days either, attracting a variety of groups and clubs using the facility. So if a bowls team wanted to say use it on Tuesday afternoon, they could. Crazy golf could come out at the weekends etc.

It is a mixed picture at the moment. Immunity appears to significantly drop off after a few months. But we have this with influenza and rhinoviruses, so this is not an unprecedented scenario. We have just become used to having vaccines for everything that was an epidemic problem until the recent past. The good news is that so much more is understood than six months ago. The two antiviral drugs that seem to have a significant impact are reducing deaths by 20-40 percent and there are better processes for managing ICU patients. BUT an here is the but, there are aspects to this virus that are particularly challenging for management. The long incubation period for example. Influenza shows symptoms with 2-3 days of infection by comparison. Another area of ongoing research is the damage done in those who recover. People who have genuine flu or pneumonia and recover, often struggle with things like ongoing fatigue for months afterwards as it takes much longer for the body to repair the damage done after the immune system defeats the virus. Covid is looking to behave in the same way, but covid attacks more than just the respiratory system because those ACE2 receptors are everywhere. So there is still a lot to be understood, that will take time to understand, and this can have other consequences for longer term public health resources. At some point though, we have to learn to live with it. And this is where the difficult decisions for government lie. As individuals however, we can do a lot of things for ourselves, to stay healthy and minimise the risks of infection.

Sorry Artful Dogger, but you only have to look at the hoards of empty flats on new developments to see that this is a bonkers way to address housing need in London. Build the housing LONDONERS need at rents they can afford, or prices they can afford to buy at. We do not need more empty investments for overseas investors.

Your thuggish threats didn't work Shrieker, so now you resort to infantile sneers. Grow up

Given the fashion is for devolved government, probably yes.

Shrieker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You've of told me to move or turn the speakers > off?! i dont think you would have mate. You would > have regretted it, knowing my lot you would most > likely have ended up in one of the ponds lol. Yes I would have and had you or your plastic trolls assaulted me, I would have seen you all in troll court. Grow up.

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't want to go down the rabbit hole too much, > but are you saying you live near a tennis court > now and the sound of balls being hit and bouncing > is annoying, or are you saying that you imagine it > would be annoying to live near a tennis court? Neither. I am making the case for any use being in proportion to what immediately surrounds the space - namely tranquil gardens. There are other parts of the park dedicated for sport and noisier activities. I think it is perfectly reasonable to protect the quieter spaces where they exist.

No-one at the oxford vaccine research is claiming any part of the Covid RNA is synthetic. Synthetic in simple terms, means created in a lab. What happens during vaccine research, is that the RNA of the live virus is adapted to remove the part that tells it to replicate. Only the part that induces an immune response is used. In the case of the Oxford vaccine, they are not using Covid per se, but an Adenovirus. The reason for that is because an Adenovirus leaves a stronger immune system memory than Covid (which leaves a weak imprint that starts to significantly drop off after six months). And this can be done because the only part that matters is the attack on ACE 2 receptors performed by the Covid virus. Any virus that can produce a strong antibody response to mitigate that particular protein behaviour can be used to develop a vaccine for Covid in theory. It is possible that the associate is confusing this standard vaccine research method with the idea that some aspect of the virus is synthetic.

Shrieker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Tennis balls breaking the peace? Dont be silly. On > several occasions this summer me and my mates have > sat in the gardens with cans of beer and loud > speakers, and no one seemed to be too fussed about > our presence. Not even a dirty look. So, why when > 5 or so loud, tipsy friends gathering with music > in the gardens is not a problem, why would the > noise of a tennis ball be? Tennis balls being hit all day every day in that area of the park is not only a poor use of the space numbers wise, but also is a disturbance to the surrounding gardens. Had I passed you with loudspeakers, I would have asked you to move or turn them off. The truth is that most people would be afraid to ask a group of people disturbing the peace and quiet to move or cease. So don't presume to know what anyone actually thought about your disregard for others. I suspect you are trolling anyway and it never happened ;)

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I had suggested sessions of yoga, tai- chi, etc.. > in summer? Quite a few people already go to this > area to do this anyway so that could be developed > for the community on a pay as you go basis? The > ?club? house could be used for massage, physio and > perhaps yoga in winter? Perhaps I am way off base > but it just feels a natural fit and could benefit > all ages. I like this suggestion. There is no reason why it can not be a multi-use facility (makes perfect sense) for relatively quiet activities that fit in with the surrounding ambience. There is plenty of space elsewhere around the park for noisier sports. And just to add, that even crazy golf, doesn't have to be a permanent use. Crazy golf apparatus can be brought out and stored at will.

Actually seenbeen, TFLs debt was reducing under Khan, until the pandemic hit. All the figures are online for you to see for yourself. The money he now wants, is to offset the loss of income from massively reduced passengers due to the pandemic. You might also want to look at the part the government are playing in fueling that debt too ;)

It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. This is the consequence of unenforceable policy. The same is true of shops. If no-one has the power to enforce the law (apart from Police), then lots of people are going to ignore it.

The problem with tennis courts is that it limits the number of people that can use the space at any one time. Even if fully booked, it doesn't seem like a good use of the space. Also, do we really want the noise of tennis balls breaking through the peace of the Japanese and Sexby Gardens?

NewWave, just for future reference, if someone is jabbing you with their elbow, that is assault. All buses have cameras, so do not be afraid to report someone assaulting you to the driver. At the very least, a driver can ask someone to leave the bus. Easier said than done if you feel bullied I know, but if we do nothing to challenge inconsiderate (or worse) behaviour, then nothing will change.

They basically have no answers to the border issues, and they are real issues, and that is about the sum of it. And anyone that tries to navigate the issues is 'the other side' or 'project fear'. Now the time has come to answer for all those false claims and the best we can get is Keano saying, 'have no border customs checks and waive everything through'! Bonkers! How many illegal migrants will be in those lorries Keano, that you so blindly want to waive through? Have a think about that.