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dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can't you accept the democratic decision made by > the people in 2016. Can't you accept that people still have the right to campaign for things they believe in?

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > writing our own rules is all very well, until we > want to do trade deals with other countries with > their own (different) rules - something will have > to give and I guess that the country under more > pressure to do a deal will be the one making most > of the concessions And this is precisely why there is no such thing as a free trade deal. The all come with negotiated conditions, not just in terms of which good and services are part of the deal, but also the regulations that made in alignment. This is also why they take so long to negotiate, and yes, the bigger market always has the advantage.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What do we think will happen when Johnson requests > the 2 year extension? I thought he is unable to do that? Doesn't his Brexit Bill tie us to the end of transition date he has set?

Food standards are not minor matters Stepdown. All kinds of things are used in food and cosmetic production in the US that are banned in the EU. Formaldehyde is one such toxic ingredient. Parabens are another. On food directly, Potassium Bromate and Azodicarbonamide are banned in the EU because they are thought to cause cancer. They are used in baked goods in the US though. Brominated Vegetable Oil is another permitted ingredient in the US but is banned in the EU because it deposits bromine in the body which can damage memory and the nervous system. There is a long list of carcinogenic toxins that the US allows to be used.

The other thing to remember with Spanish Flu is that it happened at a time when there were no vaccines or antibiotics. Also, in the aftermath of a war, there is malnutrition and immune systems are weakened beyond where they would be. Today we live in an entirely different world. There are experts constantly scanning for signs of new viruses and the response is always swift and effective. The mortality rate from coronavirus so far appears to be around the 2-3% mark. To put that into context, seasonal flu has a mortality rate of around or less than 1%. The other thing to consider also is that the pneumonia component of these flu viruses is what generally causes death in vulnerable groups. But even in a healthy person, a period of pneumonia can take many months to fully recover from, leaving the immune system compromised. This is why follow up mutations tend to be more deadly if a large number of people have already been infected with the first mutation. And it goes without saying that suddenly large numbers of people presenting with pneumonia puts medical services under server pressure as they all need treatment. Hence why the Chinese are building pop up hospitals in the outbreak area.

Yep, arrogance indeed. I was right to point to the ignorance on display from DF. That is not merely opinion, it is there for everyone to see for themselves. As for worry, leave voters are not an island. If the economy struggles we ALL suffer. If worker protections are removed, we ALL suffer. If we let ignorance reign, we ALL suffer. But not the millionaires who conned people into voting for Brexit of course. They will continue as before.

Dulwich Fox wrote 'But why do we have to pay ?Billions to have them inforced.' We don't pay ?11 billion for that. We pay it so that UK businesses can have tariff free trade with 500 million consumers, tariffs that would cost ?40 billion outside of the EU with no trade deal. So once again you show how little you really understand.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As I said there are over 4,200 of them. > I do not know what those laws are or how they > affect us .... and that's the problem And there you have it folks. The admission that DF didn't know what he was voting for. A simple bit of research is all it takes DF to educate yourself on EU directives. If you had done that, you would know that most EU law relates to trade, and environmental protections, Health and Safety etc. This is also precisely why you can not answer any question that demands you show an understanding of detail. It is also why you make stuff up,. like the EU telling us to sell houses to foreigners - quite ridiculous. And the worst part of it is, that ignorant people like you are prepared to risk the future economy of the UK and livelihoods of who knows how many people for that ignorance. Totally selfish.

We can use any passport that is valid irregardless of the colour of the cover. Do you really think those who have recently renewed their passports are going to have to change them because the cover is red?

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You might not like what I say or the way I say it > - but I promise you I'm not trying to score > points > > But nor can I just watch anyone (in this case it's > Foxy - repeatedly) just post a load of objectively > false nonsense and let it lie - it's bad enough > this is happening. It's worse still that the same > nonsense gets repeated out of the blue like this This. It is a public forum. If someone repeatedly posts stuff that isn't true, others have the right to repeatedly push back. No-one is forced to read it, and yes it can be exhausting. But that is the nature of the beast. I think it also typifies why this nation is now going to be vehemently divided for some time to come.

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Stop deflecting DF. Answer the question.

But you still have not told us what Brussels tells us to do. And it seems from your posts that the only concern you have is around immigration, because that is all you talk about. And edited to add that under EU regulations, we have ALWAYS had the power to send anyone back to their EU country if they did not find work after three months. But Farage never told you that.

Spot on Exdulwicher. Brexit is an ideology. It is not based in detail or fact or reason. DF, you ask us to wonder why our economy is failing. How about we start with the cost of Brexit so far? It has cost us more then the entire 40 years of membership fees we have paid, over the last three years, and we haven't even left yet! Not sure either why you think the EU are responsible for any economic failure. The world has changed, was changing when we joined the EEC. Britain was already in decline in the light of post war competition from emerging economies in the far east and Asia and that will continue to be the case outside of the EU. And it is not the EU that sets the rules on property ownership either, but individual governments. So not sure where you get that nonsense from.

Brexit was never about the truth and detail. It is ideological. And as with all ideologies, all reason goes out of the window.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > PS if ?the rebate is taken off the ?350m before > it's paid, i.e. we paid ?250m up front...? then > it?s not a rebate - it?s an abatement It's all a bit academic now. Brexit has already cost us more than the entire cost of 40 years of membership. The false economy is already with us.

Yes Dulwich Fox, how does the EU prevent us running our own country? I could swear that when I got to any other country within the EU that they are all different to each other. I never once get confused as to where I am. You are writing absolute piffle. Only 13 per cent of UK law is impacted by EU directives and more specifically in the areas of trading compliance and workforce protections. Every single trade deal in the world, has aspects of compliance written into it btw, which you would know if you knew anything about trade agreements. But you don't and because of that, you have put a whole raft of trade and jobs at risk so that you could get rid of 'free movement'. There is a reason why Farage focused on that and appealed to base xenophobia (foreigners are responsible for all our woes) as the scapegoat for policy that our own governments imposed. It is because people like you are too lazy to look past 40 years of deliberately misleading headlines from a mainly right wing press that doesn't want you to have a balanced fact based opinion. You have been conned. It is just a question of when, not if, you begin to understand that.

Everything is going to depend on the trade deal. And we won't really know what kind of Brexit we have until those negotiations are finished. For now, nothing changes. But there are signals already from Downing Street that things like maternity leave and holiday pay are going to go. So the predicted attack on workers protections is definitely coming no matter what kind of trade deal we end up getting.

There will be CCTV on the bus but more crucially, the man who attacked him will have used an Oyster card or debit card for his fare, and that will be traceable. Should be easy for the Police to find him.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps you would like to explain exactly what you > mean by "rabid champagne socialist ignorant > element"? Anyone that doesn't agree with his xenophobic far right outlook basically.

FreyaMikaelson Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The silent majority voted for this. Don't expect > everybody to be bummed out. I don't call a third of the electorate or a quarter of the population a majority (silent or otherwise). All the little Englanders have done is set this country up for decades of a bitter divide.

Definitely contact the bus company. Most (if not all) buses have onboard CCTV and there is a good chance the camera will have piced up the collision if you can identify which particular bus it was.

goldilocks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I see from the attachment that the lock was cut- this is concerning for those of us who do use the > bike racks by M&S. would be good if you could let us know what kind of lock was cut within minutes > of going into M&S if you don?t mind? In one of the photos you can see a cheap cable (combination?) lock wrapped round the handlebar. There is a lot of nonsense in this thread about locks. Gold standard D Locks are the only way to minimise theft. Cable locks, combination locks, chains etc are cut through in seconds. Most gold standard D Locks need an angle grinder to cut. They are called gold standard for a reason. While no-one should be stealing anyone's bicycle, we sadly do not live in a world like that. It's a hard lesson to learn.

Well Iran have put an $80 million bounty on Trump's head, so that's worked out well for him.

And now Uncleglen amazes us with his utter lack of knowledge about Dominic Raab :D