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ED Tavern would be a good place and maybe the library at the other end? Shame there isn't an old red phone box - that would be perfect! The local St.John's Ambulance could be a useful contact to help.

Dulwich and ED LTNs do NOT reduce traffic across the whole area - there is no evidence they do and specifically there is absolutely no/none/zilch evidence that LTNs have reduced traffic in this area. Please don't quote the reduction in traffic during pandemic lockdown that was seen across London in all areas as 'proof' and please don't write the obvious ..that a closed road has no traffic...because one road being gated and quiet does not equal a reduction in traffic. All I could see was more idling traffic, longer car journeys and slower buses - which equals more pollution. I just cannot understand why people keep saying LTns reduce traffic - they clearly don't. Road pricing, cycle lanes, better local transport, more electric charging points - take street parking off one side of Calton - as plenty of parking for one car per house (I know that it is multiple car ownership down that road) and put a small local electric bus route connection from Sainsbury's -LL -EDG - Townley- Calton - Village - College- Southcirc - LL - Sainsbury's - plenty of space and room. Open Gilkes and open Court - again no parking on one side of both roads and a protected bike lane down both. ED Grove once relieved of displaced traffic could then have a mixed bike/pavement extension on one side and parking taken off one side to allow for this. Lot's of ways - rather the the failed LTN project.

It was a design disaster - whoever is responsible for that awful 'redesign' shouldn't be allowed near a footpath let alone a three-way junction -with heavy pedestrian and cycling use. Yet again they take Boris-cash for yet another Southwark disaster. I long for a Labour Council that actually benefits the poorest in the borough rather than the richest. Gentrification, Heygate, Aylesbury, Peckham Green, jobs for the 'boys' and girls with property developer companies. It saddens me greatly. Now LTNs - only benefitting the richest and most able - not benefiting the elderly, busy mums, the less able and those families, stuck in small garden-less flats on already polluted ribbon roads.

It was a design disaster - whoever is responsible for that awful 'redesign' shouldn't be allowed near a footpath let alone a three-way junction -with heavy pedestrian and cycling use. Yet again they take Boris-cash for yet another Southwark disaster. I long for a Labour Council that actually benefits the poorest in the borough rather than the richest. Gentrification, Heygate, Aylesbury, Peckham Green, jobs for the 'boys' and girls with property developer companies. It saddens me greatly. Now LTNs - only benefitting the richest and most able - not benefiting the elderly, busy mums, the less able and those families, stuck in small garden-less flats on already polluted ribbon roads.

Ha ha.. and the data - a 2019 ESTIMATE of traffic compared to April 2021 (lockdown - or coming out of lockdown as the 'data' shyly calls it). Don't show me cr*p data over a whole two days that compares estimates before a pandemic lockdown to manual counts during a pandemic lockdown - the usual CAD 'data' we are expected to take seriously. Even CAD can't quite commit to this rubbish presented as 'evidence' "it appears possible" yep - so do Unicorns.

Ha ha.. and the data - a 2019 ESTIMATE of traffic compared to April 2021 (lockdown - or coming out of lockdown as the 'data' shyly calls it). Don't show me cr*p data over a whole two days that compares estimates before a pandemic lockdown to manual counts during a pandemic lockdown - the usual CAD 'data' we are expected to take seriously. Even CAD can't quite commit to this rubbish presented as 'evidence' "it appears possible" yep - so do Unicorns.

Two days in June during lockdown...yes sure, that will prove that the traffic I see every morning on my way to work (walking) past this junction is just my imagination and that living on the same road for 35 years just means I'm far too old to actually notice a sudden change. I'm still waiting for Southwark to publish the raw data and pollution levels. I do hope they are still measuring cycling numbers, car numbers, pollution - so that they can actually compare Nov 2018 with Nov 2021 rather than comparing cycling numbers from a baseline of Winter 2018 to Summer 2021 - and declaring that LTNs have increased cycling numbers...Doh!

Two days in June during lockdown...yes sure, that will prove that the traffic I see every morning on my way to work (walking) past this junction is just my imagination and that living on the same road for 35 years just means I'm far too old to actually notice a sudden change. I'm still waiting for Southwark to publish the raw data and pollution levels. I do hope they are still measuring cycling numbers, car numbers, pollution - so that they can actually compare Nov 2018 with Nov 2021 rather than comparing cycling numbers from a baseline of Winter 2018 to Summer 2021 - and declaring that LTNs have increased cycling numbers...Doh!

When one sees, smells and hears the extra traffic and pollution caused by a failed scheme just outside of ones home and can see neighbours children breathing in this polluted air on their walk to school - then of course it makes one angry. In the Labour movement they say 'don't mourn, organize' so leave anger aside and write, peacefully protest and vote!

When one sees, smells and hears the extra traffic and pollution caused by a failed scheme just outside of ones home and can see neighbours children breathing in this polluted air on their walk to school - then of course it makes one angry. In the Labour movement they say 'don't mourn, organize' so leave anger aside and write, peacefully protest and vote!

That junction used to have a reasonable free flow of traffic as did ED Grove. Southwark redesigned the ED Grove Townley rd junction and the Court-Calton - Village junction at a huge cost and messed up both so badly that they became dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists and increased idling traffic. Both junctions are dreadful examples of town planning, so I think the solution Southwark came up with was to just close these junctions either 24\7 or timed to try and hide the incompetence of failed design and didn?t even think of the consequences of displaced traffic on residential and school roads. It shows a supreme lack of thinking, planning and understanding of traffic flow. My natural belief in Socialism as a way to make a fairer society and my support of the Labour Party is truly tested and in the local elections I will not be voting for any Councillor that supports these ridiculous pollution creating LTNs.

That junction used to have a reasonable free flow of traffic as did ED Grove. Southwark redesigned the ED Grove Townley rd junction and the Court-Calton - Village junction at a huge cost and messed up both so badly that they became dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists and increased idling traffic. Both junctions are dreadful examples of town planning, so I think the solution Southwark came up with was to just close these junctions either 24\7 or timed to try and hide the incompetence of failed design and didn?t even think of the consequences of displaced traffic on residential and school roads. It shows a supreme lack of thinking, planning and understanding of traffic flow. My natural belief in Socialism as a way to make a fairer society and my support of the Labour Party is truly tested and in the local elections I will not be voting for any Councillor that supports these ridiculous pollution creating LTNs.

I'm not anti any policy that reduces traffic, pollution and noise. Unfortunately the LTNs 'designed' in Dulwich and East Dulwich do not reduce pollution, but do increase traffic and pollution on already polluted roads that have schools and high density residency. They only appear to make a few non-school roads with huge houses, with huge gardens and multiple car ownership quiet enclaves for the fit and wealthy (as the less mobile and disabled residents feel kettled in the LTNs) and to help increase the value of houses already worth millions. When I voted Labour I expected so called Socialists to bring in policies that reduce pollution, increase the local PTAL, help the poorest, help those with reduce mobility, sadly they have had the wool pulled over their eyes by a Tory Government and have been made fools of.

So why did Southwark consult? Surely to understand what residents wanted...also Southwark actively encouraged cycling lobby groups and non-residents to respond....why? It's all very well dismissing the results because it doesn't fit into your need to keep your LTN on your road, but it isn't about having a quiet road at the expense of increased pollution, due to idling displaced traffic on many other roads. Just assuming stuff, to make an very 'individualistic' argument feel better is just that, trying to make one's standpoint feel better.

ED Grove is a school x 3 road, but Southwark have put timed measures and closed other roads that don?t have a school on them. So much for safe school roads. It?s all a big scam to keep mates of the current lot living in LTNs happy, Guardian journalists, road planners and bestie friends. Nothing to do with reducing air pollution or safe walking for children.

Exactly, why have a consultation and then ignore the results? As it is they tried everything to try and make respondents outside of the area support the temporary changes and did everything to fudge the numbers by using varying baselines at varying times of the year. Even with the dodgy numbers and utter contempt for residents points of view - it is clear the majority strongest view expressed is that the current road closures do not improve air quality or lessen traffic for the majority. The only ?positive? is an exorbitant rise in equity for already very wealthy people living in very wealthy areas, watching their house price rise, while still being able to drive one of their many cars on my and others road. Gilkes is the street of shame for this council, soon there will be a barrier and security guard on the ED Grove end to stop the rif-raf entering.

The decisions were made before the Consultation ended anyway....

Unfortunately the way Southwark set up the Consultation this option wasn't given - at no point did they offer this. Certainly many people added such comments into free type, but these comments have not been included in the report. I imagine many of that two thirds against LTNs commented in the free type - I certainly did by suggesting local buses, cycle lanes and timed closures, but looking through the consultation I could not find a tick box for any of this.

The problem is that Southwark is using the 'success' and the 'majority' support of the LTNs based on their 'research' as an excuse to not remove the LTNs, because if it's a 'success' and 'supported' the government will fine them for removing. The issue is they have not achieved anything other than diverting traffic onto already polluted residential roads and are according to their own consultation not supported by responding residents. Southwark have mis-reported findings, used dubious baselines and failed to report basic data sets - all in order to misrepresent the actuality in order to blame central government for being made to keep the temporary changes. It's downright weird behaviour from a Labour run council.

There is no evidence that outside of the lockdown/London-wide reduction in traffic and pollution, that the Dulwich LTNs have contributed in any significance way to a reduction in pollution. Traffic and bus journeys reduced across London, while after 5 x LTNs in Dulwich both traffic and bus journey times increased on two residential school roads at the same time - looking at Southwark own data. There is no data in any 'research' published that proves with significance that LTNs reduce pollution and therefore have a positive impact on the environment. There is an increasing body of thought that in fact, LTNs create a maze of roads, encouraging longer journeys and more idling traffic, with a detrimental increase in air and noise pollution on the less affluent residents in London.

An interesting podcast with a left wing Labour Councillor. I hadn't thought about this aspect before. The richest person I know does not have a car, he travels by first class train and taxi, has a bike for exercise and weekends. My friend who is struggling can't afford train travel to visit his Mum in Devon and also makes some cash as a 'man with a van' in-between working as a night worker at Mungo's. The councillor also talks about gentrification and demographics of certain areas. I think about East Dulwich Grove, having both wealthier at the village end and less wealthy with the small, garden less flats all getting together to campaign against the displaced and polluting traffic. Whatever you opinion - this is a calm and interesting listen.

But remember - the St. John's isn't a public list - it is used by emergency phone operators to redirect the public after they have called 999 for a cardiac arrest, so that an AED can be found while waiting for the paramedics.

Do please - if you are an organisation with an AED put it on this list - thanks kford.

Nice link - how exactly does diverting traffic from wealthy areas of Dulwich Village to less wealthy and higher density residential roads 'build back greener'? Do tell?

As many of those twitter accounts that are escalating unpleasantness are certain accounts from individuals who are my ?neighbours? in Melbourne, Calton and other LTN beneficiaries and those same accounts have trolled some independent businesses then yes, I do find it a less nice place to live. Thankfully after 30 + years of living here my little group of neighbours living in flats on ED Grove are lovely and the business owners I have known for years on LL are lovely, so yes it isn?t all bad.