JoeLeg

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > True Loz but you can do better than that. > > As you're not from these shores I think we can > forgive you for trying to play down a Hunger March > of worldwide historic significance in such crude > numerical terms. > > My point, which you failed to grasp or ignored, > was that the country is so divided on this issue > some form of civil war (very mild and pacific I > hope) should not be discounted because a number of > Remoaners on here feel their lives will be ruined > because they might not inherit mommy and daddy's > second home in Provence You won the referendum, don't go blaming other people if the outcome isn't what you want it to be. Both major parties are in support, it's entirely in your hands now. Don't act like 'Remoaners' (classy way to move the debate on there, btw) actually have any chance of derailing the process. Brexit has been triggered and now it's in the hands on David Davis et al. You got what you wanted, stop preemptively blaming those with no control over the process for the possibility that the EU might decide to play hardball. No one has any idea what's going on behind closed doors anyway, it's all spin and posturing and PR. Nothing of any substance will be known for months. So maybe sit back and wait rather than telling others it's already all their fault?

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If farmers need to rely on subsidies they're in > the wrong business. Do you have any understanding of the realities faced by farmers/food producers in this day and age? Any at all? > > If the reason farmers are struggling is because > supermarkets are cartels then let's support them No, they are struggling because the population of the UK (and pretty much everywhere else) doesn't want to pay what that pint of milk (and pork rib, and chicken, and sirloin steak etc) actually should cost. Supermarkets haven't helped, but generally the public has it's head happily in the sand over the actual cost of food production in the UK. > > Many of you will be too young to remember > solidarnosk (solidarity, the Polish Trade Union). > The Polish Government hiked up the price of bread > and the poles refused to buy it. Three days later > (I think) the Polish Government backed down. > > As consumers we are very powerful, if supermarkets > pay milk suppliers, for example, pitiful prices > don't buy milk until supermarkets pay more. > > Simples The supermarkets will pass the cost straight onto you and me. While I accept the analogy, I think it's not an exact parallel. Prices aren't set by the government ,they're set by for-profit organisations who will maintain that profit at all costs. How much would you be willing to pay for a pint of milk? > > (Edited to add: more reason to leave the EU) Leaving the EU will do nothing to solve this problem, it is irrelevant. It is a cultural issue that we as a nation must face - how much are we willing to pay for food? Unlike my normal self, I'm really not trying to be antagonistic here, but I get very frustrated, shall we say, at the idea that we can solve this problem without a total national debate - an honest one - on what it costs to feed ourselves. I'm practically a vegetarian these days, mainly because meat - decent meat, charged at a price which allows the farmer to make a reasonable living - is out of our price range as a family. I'm lucky enough to know people who raise and slaughter animals in humane and caring conditions (which I've been to visit) and can buy stuff at a fair rate which tends to live in the freezer waiting for a special occasion. But most people don't have that option, and aren't aware of how cheaply they get their meat, and I think would be shocked at what it should actually cost for the farmer not to need subsidies or benefits! Food is really expensive. It's all got very little to do with Brexit.

Question - are they wrong? And if it was a a Labour-run council would the Tories say any different? I think, deep in the pit of what passes for your cruel soul, you know the answer.

And I reckon you're on the cheap whiskey again. You really do have a twisted view on reality...

Honestly, KK, while I really hope the unions aren't returning to the bad old days in this matter, the only one I can see with a sense of self entitlement around here is you. I'm very sceptical of a lot of the briefing that's gone on in the media against the unions. Southern has (rightly) taken a kicking in this so I'd be surprised if they aren't hitting back. Unions are notorious for not making life easy for themselves and make easy targets. I (personally, and with nothing to back it up save for my innate cynicism) suspect Southern are trying their hardest to paint the unions as the bad guys. All that said, I (again personally, and with nothing to back it up) am struggling to see the issue with DOO, except for the point, which seems reasonable to me, that not every station is covered sufficiently by cameras for the driver to make a judgement about when to close the doors. Past that it seems fairly reasonable on short to medou commuter runs.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Part of the cost of the border issue swill need to > be stumped up by the EU since it is their border. You still don't get it, do you...? The cost for N Ireland will be far, far higher. It'll make very little difference to the EU. Why do out think the DUP are so keen on a Brexit which keeps the border unchanged? Seriously, do you know why? And now they've taken a billion pounds of our money to get what they want. > I'm not licking any wounds over here on the > pragmatic 'right' - common sense will, and > thankfully, is,despite the noisy rabble on the > left- prevailing- we cannot afford a Labour > government and all it stands for. So you think it's ok to fuck up an election (which you did) and then have to pay a billion pounds (of our money - what programs get cut to fund it I wonder?) in order to prop up an unpopular PM and somehow salvage a Brexit that will constantly be at risk of destruction by rebels on both sides? You really think that was worth it? You understand nothing about the DUP, and about the danger we are now in. Foolish. For someone who so often claims to be on the side of the little people and who wants equality on society, you throw it away remarkably fast when you think it means you can get what you want. As Sue says, how many NHS salaries does ?200,000,000 per year pay? Or how many teacher salaries? Hmmm?

> > Yep. > > How did these people get the contract, does anyone > know? > I have no idea how M+B got this; I'm amazed the Dulwich Estate went for them. I can't imagine bribery, it's not like they need the money, and all I can think is that the estate chose them because they're easy to work with or something? I'm astonished that it's M+B, but then again the villag tends to get very bland and inoffensive chains opening up there, so maybe that's how the Estate wants it. > Just the signs outside are terrible, let alone the > food. The signs don't fit in with the Village feel > at all. In my opinion. > > Service and management issues could be improved if > the right people were employed, but the signs and > food seem to be inevitable if it's part of a > down-market chain (is it?). M+B are shocking, just shocking, in the level of general crapness they'll accept in their own places.

UG - it's a well accepted fact that the Tory SNP's capitalised of Sturgeons push for IndyRef2, for which there is very little stomach north of the border. Regarding Brexit, I suspect Davidson and the rest of them are keeping those powder dry. She's an avid Remainer, but also a loyal Tory. She isn't going to start a fight with number ten unless she feels it's worth it and she can win. Doesn't mean she won't though.

It's Saturday night and I'm not working - I'm pretty relaxed. I just have no tolerance for the idea that a politician who shows up to something like an Armed Forced Day event is somehow worthy of respect for it. Supporting the military has to be done with cash. Lots and lots and lots of cash. Give them enough money and they'll take care of the rest. Everything else is posturing for the cameras.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Talking of political Neanderthals- I see your > brown-nosing pal Corbyn is at Glastonbury whilst > Theresa May is in Liverpool for Armed Forces > Day..... > says it all really Speaking as a former serviceman I have no problem with that. Do you believe the Armed Forces should dictate government policy? Do you feel comfortable denying anyone who doesn't agree with the primacy of the military the vote? My Coy OC once told us that Starship Troopers (the book, not the idiotic film) was required reading at both Samdhurst and West Point. Sounds good to me - you ever read it? And as Rendel unfortunately underestimates, the Army is about to get cut to 65,000. Military housing is a sham. CR2 is overmatched by most frontline forces. We literally don't have enough ships. F35 procurement is a joke. Tonka GR.4 MLU is ancient history and the force is basically held together by willpower and hope. Samdhurst is becoming a career factory, not a proper officer training facility (ever wonder why all the most recent Sword winners were heading for the AGC?). Anything else about the current military you'd like to pretend the government is actually doing right? Don't act like May is doing anything but lying lip service to a force she's cutting to the point where it can't do what it will hopefully never have to do. At least Corbym is honest about his views of military force. The Tories want a strong army, they just don't want to pay for it. Any other easily refuted points on subject matter you know nothing about? I assume you've also been at an Armed Forces day event...

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All the terrorism stuff aside, the DUP are > loyalists and Sinn Fein (which probably accounts > for majority of the 56% soft brexiteers) are not, > therefore it makes sense to join with the DUP. And > as for anti-abortionist and homophobes etc- that > applies even more so to Catholics etc Err, no. You can't stick a piece of paper between the two factions on the social issues. You really need to educate yourself further on the DUP. > Corbyn is a terrorism apologist No, he's a naive man who tries to see both sides of the argument and encourage dialogue. He has handled questions on it appallingly, but he isn't what you portray him as. Then again you do like to paint the world in dayglo colours of your own prejudice. (as is JohnMcDonnell He is, I'll agree. and has shown himself to be an agitator > feeding off the misery of the Grenfell tower > disaster. Have you been drinking this early in the day again? I know your job causes you no end of anguish as you watch society decline from the moral high ground you feel it once occupied (but never did), but maybe leave it until after midday eh? I can think of no other explanation for that fatuous claim than that you are drunk.

You may have a point there Loz, but I think it's fair to say that while Corbyn could've been more emphatic in his disavowal of violence once he reached the leadership (he didn't handle it very well), there's a lot of people looking the other way over the DUP's history of links to terrorism. As I once commented on another thread, no one has come out of Northern Ireland with their hands clean, so it's probably naive to expect any political party from there to be a paragon of virtue. Personally I feel the DUP are far more dangerous for the things they want to do, rather than what they have done in the past.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > She didn't get a majority because of the > fox-hunting in the manifesto....social media is as > big on 'let's all hug a bunny, fox, give up meat, > legalise dope ..'etc, as it is on 'I don't want to > pay my uni fees' Hmmm, interesting. So it was nothing to do with a rebellious Remain vote (see Kensington), or a disastrous manifesto, or Lynton Crosby repeating his old mistakes. Well, I'm sure you know better than the Tory party.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the best chips are made by Wetherspoons imho I could tell you some stories about the provenance of Wetherspoons food that would turn your hair white...but if you like it, go right ahead!

It's more interesting down in Corfton Park and Brockley. There's a lot of places to eat and drink, especially in Brockley.

I'm neither a Tory nor a Leave voter, but to be honest I'm glad they're focusing on Brexit. If it has to be done then it has to take priority. I think it's their only option, and probably Tory voters recognise that. If May had the majority she (and to be fair a lot us, myself included) thought she would get then everything would get shovelled through regardless. But she hasn't so she can't and she's fucked anyway.

BrexitBrexitBrexitBrexit.... The DUP will support the Queens Speech of course, no point trashing the whole show before they've had a chance to extract their price. What happens a year from now, who knows? I genuinely doubt there will be a GE before the negotiations are done. It's in no ones interest, unless of course the wheels totally come off with the DUP for some reason. Which is not impossible.

Leave it dbboy. Her and Lewis have been shown up for the charlatans they are. Ignore the trolls now, they're desperate for attention, but they had broadsheets, tabloids and even Private Eye, as well as UKIP supporting them, and they still couldn't put together a coherent case. Lewis thinks he's funny, Blanche thinks she's important, and no one else seems to be with them.

Plus ca change...

I'm probably not the best example to use as I'm fiercely protective of both my girls, and they're younger than yours, and I'm aware I'm a bit too 'classic dad' at times, but...at the age of 14? No, sorry. Frankly not acceptable at any age, but once you hit adolescence? It sounds like they're at a mixed school, and if this happened to one of my girls the headteacher would be explaining themselves to me the next morning. I admire your calmness, I could probably learn a thing or two from you.

Blanche Cameron Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oddlycurious, whatever you think of me or Lewis > personally, you haven't answered the question, is > it OK for Councils to discriminate against > residents on grounds of faith? No it isn't. The question doesn't need answering. You are attempting to construct a straw man argument designed specifically to put oddlycurious in the wrong. It is intellectually juvenile and worthy only of the playground. Of course - as has been reputedly and pointlessly said to you - no one thinks that. But it isn't the whole of the point, as you know but avoid. > > We spend time highlighting this because Southwark > uses the pretence of 'burial for all' to dig up > the cemeteries. > > To genuinely provide burial for all - especially > those for whom burial is the only option - > Southwark would have to provide it out of the > borough. They promised to investigate this in 2012 > and never have. > And thus we come to what you really want - no burial whatsoever within Southwark. There is no avenue too nasty for you to go down. Let me be quite clear - I do not believe for one moment that you're one iotas about religious discrimination. To you it is merely a possible path to getting what you want. If there was another way open to you then you would take it. I do not believe that you care about other peoples religion. I say you are a hypocrite and a liar. > These are Southwark's phoney claims not ours. There are so many phoney claims of your own that I wouldn't even know where to start. And your willingness to exploit the tragedy at Grenfell and think it somehow equal to your own little pet ego project is disgusting. There is no equivalence between them. ETA - you tagged George Galloway and Joey Barton in on your little crusade about Grenfell? Seriously? You really will lie down with anyone, won't you? I feel my point is proved.

The price of butter has done insane things in the last year. The only reasons you're only just noticing it on the high street is because the big supermarkets hedged like crazy 12-18 months ago. Wholesale butter prices have been going up for years now. Cost of production is a major issue - for too long ignored by too many of us - plus the fact China (which previously didn't consume much dairy) is now part of the worldwide market, are the main factors. Get used to it, food prices aren't coming down (and its independent of Brexit).

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Okay JoeLeg, I read it. > > As I suspected nothing new or constructive > offered. I agree it's important to keep oneself > informed which is why we should be selective and > discerning rather than waste time with every Tom, > Dick and Harriet's opinion. Fair point, but if one doesn't read it how does one know something is rubbish? On an issue like Brexit, I prefer to cast a wide net. I might even learn something....

Love it, he's trying to get George Galloway on side. He's quite the paragon of equality! Lewis loses and now loses the plot. I'm getting the popcorn...

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JoeLeg Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Not an objective analysis, or just not one that > > you want to hear? > > Haven't read the article so can't comment on the > contents. suffice to say from the few reactions so > far it would appear to satisfy the remain mindset Personal opinion - it's encumbant upon all of us to stay as informed as we can. The biggest political, social and economic change for a generation is upon us, and here to stay. I read every opinion I come across, because I have no intention of not being as informed as I can be. I think to dispense with something two lines in and make assumptions about its content and intentions makes a person no better than those they seek to disparage. At least read it, then ridicule it.