Elphinstone's Army

We are on CPR and heard this, a plane coming over - sounding low - they change gear over Barry Road, all gone now.

Somerset House, for a private birthday party, in a city mourning

be bold RPC - it isn't as though a failure in your eyes will not be eaten anyway is it? sound trifle base even! good luck (pics please if great success)

One hour ago, I bought fish and chips from Semas - never again. We now both have a foul taste in our mouths : The chips were disgusting. Most of it was binned. The dog, offered this greasy package, sniffed it and walked away. We have cut up fruit, pineapple etc as a form of antidote, de-greaser, gag suppressant. We miss the Seacow - seared tuna and salad and a glass of chilled white wine. It was noisy but good on a Friday evening, early. The fish was from Moxons? with a good selection, cooked there and then, fresh and delicious. Back to Codfellas.

Borky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It doesn't really speak you know. It is a dumb > animal. Borky, introduce yourself to Simon's Cat (youtube) then come back and repeat this slur

Anyway I am sure the OP will be hastened away by all this and good luck to him, goodnight everyone !

edhistory Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Elphinstone's Army Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > East Dulwich has made itself what it is.. years > > ago it was a well dodgy area > > Ignorant. no it isn't ignorant it's honest and not rose tinted and you are attempting to invalidate my life here one word does not an erstwhile experience destroy besides which it is a lazy argument not worthy of your usual robust and erudite offerings

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For some people Working Class equals rough....they > also don't like hostile tones and cockney accents > I reckon you are attempting to twist my words, which were articulate true and eloquent I never said East Dulwich had been rough and you know it Go pick on someone else with less than two hours left of St Patrick's day, pog mo thoin

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Louisa, I would not dream of upsetting you or any long term resident - My remarks have been taken out of a contextual argument - I never said this area was rough. Yes of course East Dulwich existed, but in a different array, as anywhere old folks die off, young couples move in, have families, change the nature of an area for child centric facilities, and a new, modern outlook and aspirations. This is the evolution of place and not confined to East Dulwich by any means. Despite another poster's selective reading, I described East Dulwich as civilised. This thread is so off topic it might as well be in Balham.

I have never at any point described East Dulwich as a 'rough' area, or working class even. Yes I am describing it from my pov what else. And how it has pulled itself up to be the desirable area it is today. I have family in Sydenham Louisa, in Venner Road, close to East Penge station Penge, I do not know really so no comment. If I want a centre with Wilko, Waitrose, Primark, Bank, Building Society, Zizzi, Oxfam Shop (books and music, huge new Poundland and H&M, I go to Bromley. Also the notion that anyone could describe East Dulwich as an inner city hellhole, hyperbole and exaggeration allowing, is arrant nonsense. And you are veering off topic, this is a thread about transport, nest ce pas? and alternative areas. You would think I was the one leaving and poisoning the well which is not the case. What you diehards fail to understand is that I and others, choose to live here, and not necessarily having moved from a deprived, or 'rough' area. Beyond the Pale.

ha ha, course you do, unwanted is not good, but wanted, certainly, squeal !!

???? Wrote ------------------------------------------------------- > Elphinstone's Army Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > > > > East Dulwich has made itself what it is.. years > > ago it was a well dodgy area and pubs you would > > avoid, as described by > > locals here most descriptively. > > That image has long been discarded. > > > > > This is bullshit - the painting of East Dulwich as > some inner city hellhole and Dickensian rookery > before gentrification is enough to make me join > Louisa's corner suit yourself - years ago I knew someone who worked on Railton Road and would only come to LL with 'one of the lads' I don't think it's bs and I don't appreciate your hostile tone Besides which I did not paint LL in the terms you describe, as an inner city hellhole what nonsense, join Louisa's corner, and anyone else who lived/worked/loved here during the seventies. and do not be using Louisa as a prop

It is a while ago since I lived in Balham, which is northern line, fed up coming home with a face full of smuts - the northern line is the deepest. Yes it was busy, I cannot honestly say if the Balham to Victoria line is reliable nowadays, sorry. I found the buses to be better, for me, to Clapham Junction and then onwards. East Dulwich is a good place to be, it is civilised, between parks, good schools, and the wondrous Horniman museum and Gardens a walk/busride away and an arty crafty network and most importantly for many of us, it is a safe area, the occasional mugging notwithstanding. And a mix of ages, backgrounds, social and economic. East Dulwich has made itself what it is.. years ago it was a well dodgy area and pubs you would avoid, as described by locals here most descriptively. That image has long been discarded. The EDF is largely responsible for the taming of the streets, and resourcefulness and self policing of its usually worthy and good citizens, and Foxy on the prowl, keeping our streets in order. I don't believe that the Police Station should have abandoned us without a replacement and allowed burglaries and thefts of and from cars and motor bikes to proliferate, but that will peter out soon when we tighten our security. I have no idea what the crime rates are in Balham but there are sites which advise of this? If you are resolved to move then I would think that Balham is a good bet. There is a thread up somewhere of 'where to go after East Dulwich' with some worthy suggestions amongst the more unusual ones from ED wags. I hope this helps.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Foxy- may I ask what you do to have all this > > behind the scenes access to businesses on LL? > > I stop and talk to people.. They all know me. I > am up and down Lordship Lane day and night.. > > Social Butterfly I was once called.. :) > > Foxy Scarlet Pimpernel more like .....

DulwichLondoner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fair points about Earlsfield :) > How do you people feel about Balham, assuming we > can stretch our budget to buy there (not certain)? > The high street seems comparable to Lordship Lane. > We would probably not use the tube for commuting, > just the train, and the fact it's Southern scares > me. I lived in Balham, in a garden flat in Ritherdon Road, twixt the Main drag and Bedford Hill quiet and leafy. A good choice of transport, tube, train and bus and on road parking. Balham Tooting Bec/Broadway is busy, traffic full, frequent buses. There is a Waitrose near Clapham Common and Sainsbury in Balham. There are fine tall houses, surrounded by and close to commons, something of an oasis and constantly improving.

Thank you RH for having the bottle to say what I was too dainty in describing .. Earlsfield ! Garrett Lane? a poor relation of Clapham and Wandsworth Common, souless, absolutely. This is what I mean by one cannot have everything. You get one or the other but not both. and.. to paraphrase Joni Mitchell - or is it Melanie Safka, 'You don't know what you've got till it's gone' RH the mayor should employ you as the Cycle Czar (or is there something you are not telling us?!)

reckless people, not wreckless - unless it has an Eric following on - I agree the quality of bus driving is dire, ccasionally I have to alight as I feel sick, especially in the mornings, the stop start. The volume of passengers has increased exponentially over the years this is only to be expected. I agree with whoever said, reliability is as important as regularity, when I consider the times I have missed the train at Denmark Hill by the skin of my teeth as it has been 2 minutes early??? and have waited 12 minutes!!! outside the PO for a bus, then had to sit on a 40 chugging to LB. As people have pointed out, in life we cannot have everything - we live in a leafy part of a major city with a fairly static population which is unusual is it not, and has been pointed out, a tube station is not conducive to this happy state, attracting as it will, a more fluid commuter. Anyone who has moved around London will know that it is a collection of villages, each one bearing it's own separate and different identity. If one is happy and at home here why move. Why take the chance and not be able to return should things not work out in Balham Clapham or Tooting. If this is where you live then THIS IS WHERE YOU LIVE and not a dormitory. For myself I find it hard to credit that anyone would leave these leafy environs for Earlsfield. You have presented a prolonged argument for a ready made decision inviting validation. No one can be sure - you will not know whether or not you have done the right thing or made a dreadful mistake until you have moved, and this could take a while. Good luck with your decision/move as it isn't easy, and moving itself is stressful, but imagine if in a couple of years time you discover that ED has better more frequent/reliable/clean/smooth/faster/complex PT links.

Elphinstone's Army Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely the vendors would show you heating bills so > that you can work out how much oil costs > weekly/monthy bearing in mind the size of the > tank. > It is five years now since we moved from our > 'rural idyll' in Leicestershire back to > civilisation from being oil dependent, with a 300 > ltr tank, minimum orde, which at the time hovered > aroundr ?500, I have no idea how much this would > be today = we were totally at the mercy of the oil > supplier, and once waited 10 days for a new > delivery. > > We imagined logs being cheap and plentiful, Ha! > > We had a coal/log stockist, a builders merchants > with set delivery days. They do not come out > specially. > > Servicing of boiler and Aga also remember, and a > degree in aerodynamics to make the most of the Aga > > and special metal brushes to scrub and keep it > clean. > > If you are organised and can stock pile wood and > coal, and have a gauge on the tank so that you can > see the oil level, > a sturdy lock and a vicious dog or a gander, and > an electric cooker/shower/towel rail/open > fire/heavy curtains/thick carpets/electric > blankets/immersion heater and a stoical > disposition then you will be fine, go for it. apologies, these figures should be transposed - a 500 litre tank, costing at the time ?300, sorry - was only when I read Lowlander's post that I realised my error.

Surely the vendors would show you heating bills so that you can work out how much oil costs weekly/monthy bearing in mind the size of the tank. It is five years now since we moved from our 'rural idyll' in Leicestershire back to civilisation from being oil dependent, with a 300 ltr tank, minimum orde, which at the time hovered aroundr ?500, I have no idea how much this would be today = we were totally at the mercy of the oil supplier, and once waited 10 days for a new delivery. We imagined logs being cheap and plentiful, Ha! We had a coal/log stockist, a builders merchants with set delivery days. They do not come out specially. Servicing of boiler and Aga also remember, and a degree in aerodynamics to make the most of the Aga and special metal brushes to scrub and keep it clean. If you are organised and can stock pile wood and coal, and have a gauge on the tank so that you can see the oil level, a sturdy lock and a vicious dog or a gander, and an electric cooker/shower/towel rail/open fire/heavy curtains/thick carpets/electric blankets/immersion heater and a stoical disposition then you will be fine, go for it.

healey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Going directly north to the West End (where I > work) is a real pain. Other options are mostly > okay when things are running properly. That's why > the Bakerloo was originally meant to go to > Camberwell. > > Still love it here though. IMHO the are few places > better in the whole of London than this area. East Dulwich is not Shangri La

Saturday last, in the Horniman Gardens, a child of about 4/5 picked a purple crocus, in a bed of them in the grass, only to be chastised by a mortified mother, child embarrassed, will not do it again. The bed however was bashed, as though children/adults/dogs had mown over it. The daffodills along the edge of Peckham Rye are a delight, harbingers of Spring, so cheap to buy, why spoil it for everyone else, such a short period, do not thieve from everyone else's joy

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Elphinstone's Army, there have been loads of > builders at loads of houses in the street, and > believe me I am well aware of them all :)) ok! hope you soon feel better !

DovertheRoad Wrote: of course it isn't coincidence = when we drive back from our house in south west France, where at the edge of our land we have sloes covered in lichen, the closer we arrive to ED the more tense my sinuses become, 'bunged up' and hard to breathe. After a while we become acclimatised, although we are always aware, as anyone who has been on Primrose HILL or any point north, looking across to Crystal Palace would tell you, that we are in a dip, air flows over us, and mist, fog pollution lingers. Rain clears the air. ----------- > I've developed my first ever lung condition in the > past month and been told it's a mild form of > asthma. I've never had this before but it > coincides with some awful air pollution readings > recently in London. Can't understand why this > isn't getting more media coverage. This post is > being written from the Highlands where I can see > hanging lichen on all of the trees....a sign of > air purity. I've not had any asthma since being > here either. Coincidence?

Sue there have been builders for the last few weeks on your road, a few doors down from Foxy, building a loft extension. I do not know if the builders have a board outside saying who they are and contact details as I have no reason to walk down there but perhaps I will on Monday and take a look. There has been considerable dust, although I have no idea what they have been cutting/grinding through, just that it seemed to go on for hours. We have been keeping doors and windows at the rear tightly closed, and the vents where possible, and not hanging washing out which is a real nuisance. I could taste something like cement dust in my mouth last week, and sneezing and sore eyes. It was possible to see the spread of the dust cascading over gardens : of course as the works are high, a greater dispersement was achieved. From our upstairs, on CPR, we can see 5 loft conversions in progress. There must be old brick dust, soot, pointing, cement, paint, and cobwebs floating away. In damp heavy air conditions this detritus is bound to linger in the air. We need heavy rain to keep the dust down.