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Already the lunatic fringe putting their boot in... Orange Order asks DUP to put Drumcree march on wishlist in May talks https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/12/orange-order-asks-dup-to-put-drumcree-march-on-wishlist-in-may-talks

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I think from all of what we have seen written here is that anyone who holds a United Kingdom passport or even an indefinite leave to remain [entitled to apply for a UK passport] is 'British' if that is the term that they choose to describe their status. Democracy & personal choice reign superior. I have an Irish passport & a British passport [as a subject not citizen] but I would refer to myself as Irish living comfortably & voluntarily in the UK. I give way on my earlier point on what constitutes British but not what constitutes Britain. NI people are British but do not live in Britain.

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Christ on a bike What happened to the donkey..?

Dodgy Brexit campaign money from the DUP ... http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-connects-brexit-the-dup-dark-money-and-a-saudi-prince-1.3083586

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Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lets put this another way: what is the collective > name for people from "Great Britain and Northern > Ireland", then? > > Answer: British. > > And, as of 21 May 2002, you can add people from > the following places as 'British': > > Anguilla > Bermuda > British Antarctic Territory > British Indian Ocean Territory > British Virgin Islands > Cayman Islands > Falkland Islands > Gibraltar > Montserrat > Pitcairn Islands > Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha > South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands > Turks and Caicos Islands > > https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/br > itish-citizenship > > https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/br > itish-overseas-territories-citizen This is a descriptive term - The legal entity is the United Kingdom The descriptive term is Republic of Ireland - The legal term is Ireland

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > keano77 Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > Correction Rendel > > > > > > Northern Ireland is not part of Britain. It > is > > > part of the United Kingdom. As such, > > technically, > > > NI citizens cannot be British although > > > geographically they reside within the British > > > Isles > > > > On that basis, neither can people on the Isle > of > > Wight, Hebrides, Orkney Islands and Shetland > > Islands. > > Constitutionally I think they fall under England > and Scotland Isle of Wight - England Hebrides, Orkney Islands and Shetland Islands - Scotland All Great Britain

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Correction Rendel > > > > Northern Ireland is not part of Britain. It is > > part of the United Kingdom. As such, > technically, > > NI citizens cannot be British although > > geographically they reside within the British > > Isles > > On that basis, neither can people on the Isle of > Wight, Hebrides, Orkney Islands and Shetland > Islands. All of these islands are part of Great Britain - Northern Ireland is not - see the Ireland Act 1949.

There is a level of confusion about all of this ... see https://www.gov.uk/browse/abroad/passports It mentions 'Apply online for a UK passport' Later they mention 'Overseas British passport applications' British & UK are interchangable as descriptive terms but I think the term UK will be the legal status...

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uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It will be interesting to see the voting by age > group figures next week- Jezza's big bribe re > student fees and school lunches must have > contributed to the result. > This morning Arlene Foster said that when she > speaks to Theresa may on Tuesday they will do > whatever is best for everyone in the UK, and the > people of Northern Ireland. She also said the word > stability a couple of times > Unfortunately I couldn't bring myself to watch the > chancer Corbyn on Andrew Marr though Not a surprise UG - Arlene Foster is leveraging the only advantage they have been able to gain for a long time. The DUP care only about their own narrow interests & will try to modify the NI shared government, prosecution of military murders, freedom from prosecution over the 'Cash for Ash' RHI debacle, no Irish language in secondary schools plus, plus, plus. The only stability these people understand is the domination of their narrow-minded views over everyone in NI UG, I feel you would be a great fit with these 17th century regressives so no need to be objective in your viewing. No need to listen to alternative views as you know your are always right! NI is NOT British They belong to the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland - they are Irish people who are UK-landers or Nirelanders, never British. The Britain I know & am very comfortable with does not exist in NI.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/7-things-didnt-know-dup/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dup-hung-parliament-results-policies-manifesto-abortion-gay-marriage-climate-change-who-are-they-a7781656.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/who-are-the-dup_uk_593a79c7e4b0b13f2c697d36

Negotiating with the DUP will be good training for Brexit; Negotiating with the EU will be a breeze after that. In a new version of the 'Errand of Mercy' the Mayniac Klingons are entering into an alliance with the DUP Orangians [Organians] but the Orangians can overpower them at any time. We are entering fantasy government at warp speed.

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Green Goose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Agreed entirely. The DUP are stuck in a 1970's > time warp. If only they could progress to the 1970's it would be a quantum leap for these odious people. They are more like stuck in the 1820's & hold sectarian views that have their origin much further back. No laughing or socializing on Sundays, kids not allowed to play, try to gerrymander council rules to fit their view of the world etc. etc. They practice 'separation' where they discourage any involvement with non-sect people. Eventually Rev Ian Paisley was considered too liberal so they tried to ostracize & shun him. But they do like a wad of money - a bit philistine I know but that is Christianity for you..! These are Thearse May's new 'good friends' - not for long, I'd say. > But hang on a bit, that's just like Jeremy who > wants to take us back to nationalisation, union > militancy, widespread strikes, flight of capital, > plus wastefull spending funded by borrowing > leading to devaluation of Sterling. Jeremy Corbyn has a political agenda that is legitimate & he debates his views openly & inclusively; There are many successful nationalized operations in Europe; It is a fact that life was pretty miserable for most people before the 1911 strikes & these were targeted at businesses that were well organized & keeping wages low so their [mainly] Conservative owners could amass more profit for themselves. Worker unions grew out of oppression and they still have a place in society as do employers unions. It was widespread strikes that ultimately achieved social justice, not only in the UK but throughout the world. Flight of capital is one of the most destabilizing factors in any economy & needs constant addressing so what is wrong about discussing this..? Is it fair that Google, Facebook, Starbucks & others come here, make vast profits & contribute a pittance in tax - I don't think so but the Tories seem to accommodate them. Spending funded by borrowing does not lead to devaluation, it can actually lead to revaluation if applied wisely - I suggest you read up about the fiscal multiplier, financial multiplier, spending multiplier, balanced budget multiplier, accelerator effect, marginal propensity to consume - these will lead you into the area of economics that will explain how government investment [G] can have a positive effect on the economy. It is a complex area in the overall toolkit available to government & it is a valid mechanism to use to stimulate the economy if used for productive & necessary purposes such as investment in education, hospitals etc. The alternative the monetarists promote is PPP which is by far a more draining proposition - once you are into PPP there is no way to control it. So no real comparison...

May is not friendless at all.. She has Boris to take care of her back... Gove will protect her against Boris... Hammond will wait till she slips up... Davis will give her a great performance in Brussels... The DUP that will support her for a price... Andrea Leadsome [DUP lite] who will give advice from a distance... - she advised early already to get rid of SPADS. Gideon who will always tell it how it is... Yup...The list is endless - all good friends...HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Shows the arrogance of these special advisers ... Fiona Hill - "It?s been a pleasure to serve in government,...." I wasn't aware that she & Timothy were 'in government' - I thought they were employed by May to give advice..?

If she does sack the advisers after receiving the ultimatum then she will be seen as weak & easily manipulated. if she doesn't sack them she will risk a challenge that will detract from the Brexit negotiations. Either way she hasn't long to survive - the nice Tory vultures have been woken up & will keep sniping until she goes.

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keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Note to youth ... when you start paying your own > phone bills, your college accommodation and living > expenses then tell us where society is going wrong You might send a similar note to all of the Westminster occupants, MPs & Lords .....