Dogkennelhillbilly

Well done, Mirash. :)

Thames Water website says it is aware there is low pressure in your area...but no other details...

90% full again today (after the rain).

All the parking in Dulwich Park was taken yesterday.

Incidentally, the Crossrail disaster is half the fault of TfL and half the fault of Dept of Transport, as they are the joint sponsors. The project was launched under Blair/Livingstone, passed under Brown/Livingstone, structured and begun under Cameron/Brown, woefully mismanaged under May/Johnson, before exploding under May/Khan. No-one comes out of this looking great. The worst mismanagement and reality distortion was at the latest stage - but the seeds of failure were seen much earlier.

Yikes.

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mayors are not powerful enough to make any real > impact. They?re another layer of administration. > Why not get rid of devolved government/larger > councils and give local power to local people > across the UK? Powerful city/conurbation mayors > could effect better change if given the powers in > the right context. Khan isn?t impressive but > neither was Johnson. What have the mayors ever done for us?

That's true. A good thing no-one has said that.

"If someone is in charge of a monopoly and still manages to lose a fortune you have to wonder if he is capable." This is a rather silly thing to say. COVID and COVID laws have decimated demand. "I've always wondered how a human rights solicitor would have the experience and knowledge to run what is in essence a very very large company without any hands on business experience." Government isn't a business any more than business is just government. Khan has 26 years' experience of government management in progressively more senior roles. He hasn't been a lawyer for 15 years. "They are both as useless each other." Khan hasn't been very inspiring and has made some mistakes (the Amy Lame appointment has been a disaster), but what you say is not right. Khan is a technocrat who has chugged along making modest wins. Johnson is a sociopath who corruptly obtained benefits for his lover and who set fire to many millions of pounds pursuing a totally futile "garden bridge" because his friend Joanna Lumley thought it was a jolly idea. The two mayors are not "equally useless".

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > northernmonkey Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Haha- I think you?re onto something there. > > > > Alternatively maybe they just read all the > > documents published by Southwark.. > > > > It?s definitely one of those things though, > just > > hard to work out which! > > > > > > Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Rockets Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > Wow.....that's a well organised lobby > group. > > > > Difficult for residents to work out what's > > > going > > > > on but Southwark Cyclists have all the > > > > answers.....I wonder how they get such > > detailed > > > > info.....hmmmmmmm.....????? > > > > > > > > Has anyone dug a little deeper looking at > how > > > > intertwined these lobby groups are with the > > > > council? We know they are being consulted > on > > > every > > > > closure but does it go further than that? > > > > > > I heard Southwark Cyclists hosted the last > > > Bilderberg Group meeting at which COVID was > > > planned. > > > Ha ha...if they have managed to find and read all > the documents by themselves they deserve a medal > as Southwark doesn't make it easy to find the > information.....;-) > > > Perhaps during one of their regular "Are you happy > with these road closures/how would you like us to > amend our road closures our great and magnificent > cycling group" consultation meetings they slipped > them a brown envelope, winked and said...that's > where we have hidden the documents we don't want > the constituents to find!!! ;-) ...and then went and published it on the internet so that anyone could access it, for free? It is genuinely weird to see people (who are presumably otherwise sensible, average human beings) making up conspiracy theories about a local traffic scheme in suburban London.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow.....that's a well organised lobby group. > Difficult for residents to work out what's going > on but Southwark Cyclists have all the > answers.....I wonder how they get such detailed > info.....hmmmmmmm.....????? > > Has anyone dug a little deeper looking at how > intertwined these lobby groups are with the > council? We know they are being consulted on every > closure but does it go further than that? I heard Southwark Cyclists hosted the last Bilderberg Group meeting at which COVID was planned.

The logic there is absurdly convoluted. It requires one to believe that these traffic measures are part of a Labour class war against its core voters, and in favour of residents of Melbourne Grove and Court Lane. It also requires you to ignore the fact that the schemes originate with Southwark employees, not councillors, and to ignore the fact it benefits two state schools arguably at the expense of three private schools.

" someone, somewhere, who has no actual involvement or personal investment in this area gives a toss or actually is interested in the community..." This is a weird, xenophobic conspiracy theory. There is not a consensus among locals in favour of the changes to date. There is also not a universal opposition to them. There is also not a shadowy cabal of outsiders trying to impose anything on the stout yeomen of Dulwich. Southwark council employees and councillors are generally well-intentioned people who believe they are applying their skills to make residents' lives better. You may believe they are failing or missing the target. You may be right. But let's at least start from the proposition that people are acting in good faith instead of presuming they're alien wreckers and saboteurs.

The supermarket delivery drivers will often take them back. I don't know if there are still in-store bins...

"it's simple to do; ask every resident of Dulwich are you for or against the closures." What to do about congestion and pollution is a spectrum of possible answers, not a binary yes/no question - unless you want to do absolutely nothing. You ask a "simple" Brexit-like question, you're going to get a "simple" Brexit-like winner-takes-all answer that satisfies no-one...except the extremists at whichever end of the spectrum won.

You already can't turn from Dulwich Rd into Townley Rd though...

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > no, I was turning left out of the station, smart > arse. > > > > Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > So in order to turn right out of the petrol > > station, you turned left, drove 20 feet down > the > > bus lane, then chucked a uey (in front of the > guy > > that was letting you through) to turn into the > > lane coming the opposite direction? > > > > If that was the manoeuvre I'm not surprised you > > were fined. Did you appeal it? No need to get upset or throw abuse about! You just turned into the bus lane, drove down it a bit, and then moved into the normal traffic lane. That makes more sense. Did you appeal it?

So in order to turn right out of the petrol station, you turned left, drove 20 feet down the bus lane, then chucked a uey (in front of the guy that was letting you through) to turn into the lane coming the opposite direction? If that was the manoeuvre I'm not surprised you were fined. Did you appeal it?

Kensington and Chelsea also have some of the worst air, worst congestion and highest car use in the whole of London.

1) this isn't supposed to be a policy that makes sense. It's supposed to be a policy that screws over Sadiq Khan and doesn't cost anything. 2) the government didn't specify that people should buy diesel cars 3) the science around diesel has changed since the diesel boom of the 2000s. Non-diesel technologies have got better and cheaper. 4) the congestion charge is the same for normal hybrid, petrol and diesel cars. In a couple of years there will be no discounts for ultra efficient hybrids. 5) when the congestion charge was introduced and then expanded - people who'd parked for free had to pay. That's how the congestion charge works!

Typical anti-car eco-extremism from the... ... Tory Brexit Party. Glad to see that drivers' rights are being stood up for by...Sadiq Khan.

The road is closed to *motorised* through traffic. Shouting doesn't make you right. It makes you look hysterical.

Dulwichgirl82 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Agree with this and I used to walk down > regularly. > > It was also a Schrodinger?s traffic:Simultaneously > awful requiring the road closure but has since > entirely disappeared since the temporary measures > causing no traffic displacement apparently. Who specifically has said traffic has entirely disappeared and there has been no displacement?

> (do stop using filtered - it's not coffee > and it makes you look a bit blinkered!!) The road is only closed at one end to through motor traffic. It's open to motorised access and open to through non-motorised traffic. Closed is not the right word. Filtered is.

Silly.