Dogkennelhillbilly

The two sides are not loyalists and republicans. The two sides are oppressors and the oppressed. Of course Tony Blair and Martin McGuinness can find common ground. They have so much in common!

"do think that as those who were responsible for the worst of the atrocities (which includes members of the British government at the time) pass, it is a good opportunity to move on / find some closure, in the sense that there is little point in recriminations against those who weren't directly involved" The individuals might be dead or alive. The state they served exists still and often continues to act in the same way.

"I remember when we went from "no blacks no Irish" in the mid 1980s to the "this is great" No, you don't. That's an absolute invention. "WHEN THE first Race Relations Act was passed 50 years ago in December 1965, I saw an immediate difference on the streets of Britain. Straight away the act got rid of the racist ?No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs' signs that were so common in the windows of houses with rooms to rent," says former mayor of Southwark, Sam King." http://www.voice-online.co.uk/article/bring-back-no-blacks-no-irish-no-dogs

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > what a clean, clinical place we live in. > > I'd rather have a garden bonfire than all the > traffic fumes. Stupid comment.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Mandela explicitly said the MK was a terrorist > > organisation. The MK were more careful than > most > > terrorist groups in selecting targets but > > civilians were still killed. And, y'know, the > IRA > > and MK had joint operations, and happily > > collaborated with other dodge merchants: the > PLO, > > Gadaffi's regime, Honecker, the Soviet Union... > > That's funny, as at his trial Mandela quoted the > MK manifesto: > > Our men are armed and trained freedom fighters not > "terrorists". We are fighting for > democracy?majority rule?the right of the Africans > to rule Africa. We are fighting for a South Africa > in which there will be peace and harmony and equal > rights for all people. We are not racialists, as > the white oppressors are. The African National > Congress has a message of freedom for all who live > in our country. > > I can't find any records of deaths caused by MK > before Mandela was imprisoned, can you? And if > there were some, Mandela and his comrades were > fighting against apartheid (and only turned to the > sabotage plan after the Sharpeville massacre) - he > was not, as the very stupid post (not yours) above > claims, simply a violent man joining a violent > movement for an excuse to be violent, as his > actions upon his release amply proved. I actually > find it quite extraordinary that this point even > has to be argued. I don't know what he said on trial but in his autobiography 30 years later Mandela describes the MK as having adopted terrorism and why he thought it was justified.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rodneybewes Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > rahrahrah Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > OF course it is speculation, yes. But like I > > say, > > > I've always had a suspicion that certain > people > > > have violent tendancies and if they can will > > > gravitate to violent movements. > > > > Like chummy old Nelson Mandela in that respect > I > > suppose. > > Sorry, can't let that pass: Mandela did not > actually carry out any terrorist activities as he > was captured and imprisoned while they were still > in the planning stage. However, the activities he > was planning were specifically acts of sabotage, > chosen to eliminate casualties as far as possible > - it was planned to bomb railway lines and other > infrastructure at night when there would be nobody > around to be injured. To lump Mandela in with > those of violent tendencies who join violent > movements as an outlet for their violence is > frankly shameful, I haven't heard that sort of > cr@p since the Young Conservatives were going > round wearing "Hang Nelson Mandela" T-shirts in > the '80s. Mandela explicitly said the MK was a terrorist organisation. The MK were more careful than most terrorist groups in selecting targets but civilians were still killed. And, y'know, the IRA and MK had joint operations, and happily collaborated with other dodge merchants: the PLO, Gadaffi's regime, Honecker, the Soviet Union...

That's the guy I meant, Flocker. Probably not so good that a bunch of kids were playing / dancing near him last Dulwich Park fayre thing, in that case.

Dulwich Estate is shocking. Allowed Shepherds to close without a successor, pubs all closed for years at a time... Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's going to be a typical chain middle of the > road job serving up average food at expensive > prices, which will trump anything drinker/pub > related. So we end up with a crap restaurant and a > small below average boozer on one side, probably > smaller in area and drinks available. > > Louisa. Does that mean you won't go?

wolis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Learnt something from > one banner "Boris was sent by God to get us out of > the EU" Mind you the guy holding the banner was > dressed as a little elf without any trousers so > perhaps not too reliable. I've seen him at Dulwich Park and Southwark Crown Court (outside). It might be a wild stab that he's also the author of the mimeographed screeds stuck on on the wall by the playpark at Goose Green.

C&G has transformed from a pub to a construction project to an urban legend. "If this was a government project, heads would roll." Har de har har. Do you read Private Eye? Government procurement is legendarily awful.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I love the fact that he and Ian Paisley became > such good friends in the end. It was truly one of > life's great ironies! It's not an irony at all. They were both bullies and shitheads.

I didn't notice any change before or after the management change. I think it's a plumbing problem, not just a hygiene one. I moved a couple of months ago and stopped going. Maybe it smells of mountain meadows now.

The Castle literally stinks of piss.

Squat on it. Clean it. Own it (in a decade or so): https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/adverse-possession-of-registered-land/practice-guide-4-adverse-possession-of-registered-land

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Mick Mack's "for many British people it's hard to face up to the > realities" type comment is unhelpful. I wouldn't > expect a German to apologise / feel guilt or "face > up to" the actions of Hitler, because it was > absolutely nothing to do with them) QED. German secondary education involves years of studying the Third Reich and the general awfulness of German behaviour during that period: the same is absolutely not true of British education. The sheer f'ing terribleness of every British colonial adventure, everywhere, is not a theme.

dc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's a Fullers pub so limited scope for other > beers. I gather they are stocking beer from the > Canopy Brewery just around the corner though, > which is good. > > had potted shrimps, for > example, that were (hushed tones) as good, if not > better, than the same dish in Sweetings a few > weeks ago. Not cheap (well not at full price) but > not daft either, especially if they keep their > standards up. Isn't Sweetings legendarily terrible, though?

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You know who you are. Go away. > > "The East Dulwich Forum (a Paradiso of unintentional comedy, a Pillow Book of misplaced amour propre, a Sun Tzu?s Art of War of advanced passive-aggressive techniques)"

I can 'ardly take much more of this ducking argument.

ruffers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Palaeologus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The reviewer has accurately described the > current > > iteration of the East Dulwich Forum. See > above.. > > Absolutely - especially the "Sun Tzu?s Art of War > of advanced passive-aggressive techniques" bit It takes one to know one, I suppose.

There's a petrified human poo on the West Dulwich platform...

Has anyone examined the scene for forensic evidence? Usually events like this will leave skid marks.

That's the same as already mentioned above.

But when does Court Lane stop being Dulwich Village, then?

Eastlands Crescent...East Dulwich (as article said) or Dulwich Village?

Nightmare, I'm sorry to hear that.