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CP - http://www.bromleymytime.org.uk/one-oclock-club-opening-times.html P Rye one occ is by the cafe.

You need all year round, long day? or would mornings/time term only be OK for you?

I did find acupuncture and reflexology gave me immediate contractions, as did twin I suckling right after his birth... that's the closest I have to evidence :-)

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That's just my experience, I used to work for an LEA, now work in a school, which is expanding in Jan 2010, due to increased demand for places.

I was very prem and when I came home from hospital my mum was told to put me on 4h feeds, apparently I cried so much she had to put my pram down the garden...despite all this, I did eventually sleep Ok (and still do) Son no 1 was a bad sleeper for quite a while (liked to wake for a bit of breastmilk every few hours) but since the age of about 2 1/2 he has slept brilliantly, you can carry him from yoom to room, or have the burglar alarm go off, and he doesn't stir.

Acupuncture and reflexology and both v. good for starting off labour, IME.

Usually a new school starts with the bottom classes, so either just nursery/reception or nursery/reception and year 3. Adding extra inbetween classes causes instability in neighbouring schools, and it's not economic for the new school to run with part-full classes.

Don't be unduly scared of induction, being terrified won't help it along. Just try to be informed and remember that it's your choice at each stage, you don't have to be swept up into their procedures with no control. If thinsg are favourable, the starting with a sweep might be enough to get you going. The pessary might ripen the cervix enough, esp if you walk around a lot after. Breaking your waters doesn't rule out keeping mobile, upright, using the pool, intermittent monitoring xx

I'd suggest leapers, it's tues and weds, IIRC. At Rye Oak primary. The one o'c club at CP is open mornings, too and very good (but not free) The one o'c club at P Rye (Pms only) is good, but a it too small for wet days. Would they be up for taking him swimming? If you want to book a class, sign and sign is the best, IMO, and runs many sessions in a week.

Jessie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The heartache of it all continues for us, after > watching my son's face when it dawned on him this > weekend he won't be joining his nursery friends at > primary school - he was distraught. It renewed my > feelings of anger about all this, though I plan on > making the best of the situation and putting a > brave face on for the sake of my child. :-( Jessie. But I'm sure once he's settled in at his new school, he will soon make friends and be happy there. Which school have you got?

Laurie, thanks for your comments but it does feel like the Council (which is run by the Libdems, isn't it?) has made a real mess of this and hasn't communicated at all well. I made a FOI request to the council for all the documents relating to the ED admissions crisis this year, I made the request on 7th August, there is a statutory 20 days for response. I sent a follow up mail when I received no acknowledgement, in the end I had to get my ward councillor, Lewis Robinson, to intervene on my behalf, and the response was that they didn't think they'd be able to provide the reply within 20 days. I mailed back to say surely they were obliged to, by law... again, no reply. When I was trying to sort out my own son's nursery admission a couple of years ago, the admissions service seemed shambolic. I ended up speaking to a call centre, who after I'd explained all my concerns, said "Heber, is that a secondary school?" Not very reassuring (not many 4 year olds go to secondary school, either, if she'd have listened to what I was saying!) There is a complete lack of confidence in the Council over this. I think you'll face a hard campaign for the LibDems, TBH.

It might be that book, might be others I've read, there has been research into the effects of excessive cortisol on the developing brain, how it affects the receptors and causes anxiety etc as an adult. I'm sure being neglected, or having very tired, stressed angry parents has an effect just as being left to cry does, yes. We just have to do the best we can, I guess. But I'm very wary of the industry of "experts" - TV, magazines, books, all saying there is a quick fix, for what is basically normal baby behaviour.

I got into the water, despite having had my waters broken. Obviously if you need to be on the continuous monitor, or have an epidural, then you can't be in the water. If you have your waters broken there is a tiny risk of infection from the pool, (or if your waters break naturally) but they don't stop you using the pool if your waters break naturally, and the bath is always on offer... so I don't see why you can#t just insist (get it filled as soon as you get into the labour room, though) I guess re the drip, they mean they don't start labour with the drug they used to ofer by drip, but I'm sure they still use the drug that gives you stronger contractions... at a later stage... You know, you can REFUSE induction and insist on a CS, it's your body, and your baby, HH. Decide with your partner how far you will go and be ready to fight your corner. Perhaps ask what the Bishops score is before you begin? Set yourself a certain no of hours at each stage? xx

Ah, i see from your earlier post he was due Aug 21st. So 4th Sept is about 42+0. You can still decline induction, you know, and have daily monitoring. Although the risk of problems increase at that gestation, it's still a tiny risk and based on a very small possibly skewed study.

HH: I think you're best to take your bags along, leave in the car as you say. I was induced in the labour ward due to being high risk (twins) and never had the pessary as my cervix was already full effaced and 3cm... just went straight to having my waters broken, that was 10pm, I went to walk up and down the stairs a bit, contractions started 30 mins later, it got painful at about 11.30, first baby born at 10 past 1. However, I should warn you that if your Bishops score is still low when they start the induction, the chances of success are slim. If that was presented to me, having heard so many friends go through v. long failed inductions ending in CS, I'd be tempted to fight for an elective CS instead! How late will you be on 4th Sept? I would hold out to 42+0 at least... despite your current discomfort. Beware the drip, which they may offer, to stimulate contractions. It's VERY painful. My independent MW first time round said an epidural prior to the drip is wise, I'd certainly put in your request beforehand so you're already in the queue, at the very least. I had the drip just for baby 2 to keep her head down after they turned her. Also, they do like to monitor you on the trace, but don't let them confine you to the bed unless there's a very good reason. Much better to get up and mobile as much as possible. They do monitor before and after inserting the pessary or breaking your waters.

Bishberro Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just had a look at the reviews on Amazon and it > sounds interesting. But if I read it, is it going > to make me feel really guilty for leaving my child > while I go to work and tell me that because of > this, he's going to turn to crime in later life? I don't remember that! I think there are a few parenting books around that emphasise the need for a consistent caregiver in a child's first years...which is one reason why I prefer a childminder/nanny to a nursery for a baby... but I don't remember reading anything that has made me feel bad about working (just as well, as otherwise we'd be living in a shed!)

Belle Wrote: Must admit we DO let our boy > cry when we put him down often, as it seems he > almost has to get stuff out of his system and > protest about being put down, before he can sleep. > But think that's poss different from leaving to > cry when clearly in distress/needing something. > Yes, some babies need to left to grumble a little esp when they're over-tired... but the cortisol levels rise in a baby that is left to "cry it out"

Yes, I have. Is that the book that has the really emotive passage about what goes on in the brain of a baby left to cry?

Yes, much better than all the "Do it like this!" books.

Take the bins and wheel them into the next road :-)

snowboarder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just bought this book on amazon - have just > skimmed it so far (when time to read?) but it's > certainly making me think again about starting > baby snowboarder on some pear puree at 5 > months....so maybe he's ok until 6 months? And > maybe forget the puree? Yep. The research points to a reduction in heart disease later in life etc for children weaned at 6m+ in any case.. so don't start at 5m from that point of view.. plus it's SO much work, specially in the early days. leave it as long as possible and let them do it themselves is my motto. I did mash/puree some stuff and mix and match it with lots of finger foods.

louloulabelle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > hi > > ive got a copy you can have for free is you would > like, seemed to buy two somehow. > > Lou I'm past the weaning stage now, thanks, though I did get the book out and read it once the library got it in stock. It's a relaly good book, isn't it? Sure someone will jump at your offer. x

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